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It's not "disgruntling." Imagine if your boss told you last week, that this week you had be at Fort Knox KY. To spend three years in a career dead-end, that als

It's not "disgruntling." Imagine if your boss told you last week, that this week you had be at Fort Knox KY. To spend three years in a career dead-end, that also carries a major, statistically important, increase to your suicide and depression vulnerability. If you say no, there are perverse legal punishments you'll go through that the Supreme Court has already said don't get constitutional protections.

psunavy03 3y ago
The UCMJ doesn't authorize "perverse legal punishments" and servicemembers still fall under the Constitution. Come on. You can make a point about how this is bad policy without resorting to adolescent hyperbole.
- true_religion 3y ago
  Perversity is in the eye of the beholder. Military boot camp training has recruits subjected to language and control that people would rebel against and sue if it were done in a web developer boot camp. Yet that’s normal for the military. I had my chance to join the army, but did not due to several of my relatives telling me what a bad gig it was.
  - psunavy03 3y ago
    . . . so you're opining on something you haven't the slightest credible clue about other than biased sources. You and everyone else who "almost joined."
    - true_religion 3y ago
      Actually, they joined. I didn’t because of first hand reports from people who spent ten years or more in the military.
2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
How is it a career dead-end? In the Marine Corps, becoming a recruiter or drill instructor are good ways to gain rank more quickly because they boost your cutting score. I had friends who did recruiting and they loved it- it's comparatively easy work with a high level of autonomy
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Recruiting in the current environment is likely to lead to less success due to potential recruit fitness readiness, the reduced competitiveness of military opportunities vs the private sector (rising wages, structural demographics), and the zeitgeist around going to the sandbox to die for someone else's pet political project. https://www.cfr.org/blog/presidents-inbox-recap-us-military-recruiting-crisis https://www.cfr.org/blog/presidents-inbox-recap-us-military-... https://www.rand.org/topics/military-recruitment.html https://www.rand.org/topics/military-recruitment.html https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/10/13/big-bonuses-relaxed-policies-new-slogan-none-of-it-saved-military-recruiting-crisis-2023.html https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/10/13/big-bonuses-r... https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/09/30/military-recruiting-desantis-woke-abortion-health-waiver-jobs-politifact/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/09/30/mi... https://warontherocks.com/2023/03/addressing-the-u-s-military-recruiting-crisis/ https://warontherocks.com/2023/03/addressing-the-u-s-militar... https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/the-military-recruiting-crisis-getting-worse https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/the-military-rec... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-recruiting-and-confidence-in-americas-armed-forces-is-so-low-right-now https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-recruiting-and-confide...

psunavy03 3y ago

The UCMJ doesn't authorize "perverse legal punishments" and servicemembers still fall under the Constitution. Come on. You can make a point about how this is bad policy without resorting to adolescent hyperbole.

true_religion 3y ago
Perversity is in the eye of the beholder. Military boot camp training has recruits subjected to language and control that people would rebel against and sue if it were done in a web developer boot camp. Yet that’s normal for the military. I had my chance to join the army, but did not due to several of my relatives telling me what a bad gig it was.
- psunavy03 3y ago
  . . . so you're opining on something you haven't the slightest credible clue about other than biased sources. You and everyone else who "almost joined."
  - true_religion 3y ago
    Actually, they joined. I didn’t because of first hand reports from people who spent ten years or more in the military.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago

How is it a career dead-end? In the Marine Corps, becoming a recruiter or drill instructor are good ways to gain rank more quickly because they boost your cutting score. I had friends who did recruiting and they loved it- it's comparatively easy work with a high level of autonomy

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Recruiting in the current environment is likely to lead to less success due to potential recruit fitness readiness, the reduced competitiveness of military opportunities vs the private sector (rising wages, structural demographics), and the zeitgeist around going to the sandbox to die for someone else's pet political project. https://www.cfr.org/blog/presidents-inbox-recap-us-military-recruiting-crisis https://www.cfr.org/blog/presidents-inbox-recap-us-military-... https://www.rand.org/topics/military-recruitment.html https://www.rand.org/topics/military-recruitment.html https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/10/13/big-bonuses-relaxed-policies-new-slogan-none-of-it-saved-military-recruiting-crisis-2023.html https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/10/13/big-bonuses-r... https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/09/30/military-recruiting-desantis-woke-abortion-health-waiver-jobs-politifact/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/09/30/mi... https://warontherocks.com/2023/03/addressing-the-u-s-military-recruiting-crisis/ https://warontherocks.com/2023/03/addressing-the-u-s-militar... https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/the-military-recruiting-crisis-getting-worse https://www.heritage.org/defense/commentary/the-military-rec... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-recruiting-and-confidence-in-americas-armed-forces-is-so-low-right-now https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-recruiting-and-confide...