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> How can I pay my bills with bitcoin while being debanked? Acting as an alternative to krupan's Bitcoin-centric answer: - There are other crypto rails other

> How can I pay my bills with bitcoin while being debanked? Acting as an alternative to krupan's Bitcoin-centric answer: - There are other crypto rails other than Bitcoin that could be used in its place. USDC & stablecoins in general is going to be the medium-term winners in this space, as more services are set up to help people pay their bills with stablecoins. Here are 2 services that I've found within a few minutes of searching "USDC pay bill": https://www.spritz.finance/blog/pay-bills-crypto https://www.spritz.finance/blog/pay-bills-crypto https://bitpay.com/bill-pay/ https://bitpay.com/bill-pay/ - As for transaction costs, L2s are already being deployed, and their fees will only be further reduced as improvements to the L2 networks are made. https://l2fees.info/ https://l2fees.info/

Tao3300 3y ago
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- catlover76 3y ago
  huh?
  - Tao3300 3y ago
    As a rule of thumb, people calling crypto a "space" are trying to hustle you.
    - TheCapeGreek 3y ago
      huh? I'm no crypto fanatic, but I call plenty of things a "space". It's basically a synonym for niche?
      - Tao3300 3y ago
        Glad to hear that. Notice I said > rule of thumb Not to be confused with a universal law. See also that the other comments pointed out that the USDC recommendation didn't even make a whole lot of sense. Hmm...
        TheCapeGreek 3y ago
        My point is even as a rule of thumb it doesn't make sense. You might as well just say that mentioning crypto at all is a red flag and call it a day.
        Tao3300 3y ago
        Whoa. You guessed my other rule!
krupan 3y ago
USDC and stablecoins are centrally controlled and do not solve the problems that we are talking about here.
FireBeyond 3y ago
From just one of those L2 networks: > Optimism is an EVM-equivalent Optimistic Rollup chain. I’ll be right back, I need to explain this one to grandma.
- x-complexity 3y ago
  > > Optimism is an EVM-equivalent Optimistic Rollup chain. > I’ll be right back, I need to explain this one to grandma. Term by term: - EVM-equivalent: The Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) is the part that allows smart contract code can be run on the network. EVM-equivalency means that you can just drop in your smart contract code, and it has to run as it would on Ethereum itself. - Optimistic Rollup: A Rollup is the current consensus for scaling up the network, by outsourcing compute to other networks, and pushing the important end state back into Ethereum. Optimistic rollups do this by assuming that there'll be at least 1 person to challenge a proposed block whenever that block's invalid. This setup however has the shortcoming of needing there to be a challenge window for other participants in the network to have time to respond.
amjnsx 3y ago
Just as an FYI, USDC & stablecoins (and CBDC's) are centralised and the same abuse of power is possible here too. Obviously being debanked in fiat and crypto at the same time is extremely unlikely...but possible if someone is REALLY out to get you.
- x-complexity 3y ago
  > Just as an FYI, USDC & stablecoins (and CBDC's) are centralised and the same abuse of power is possible here too. It's the unfortunate consequence of one gigantic unaddressable problem: USD can only be minted efficiently by the Fed. - Collateralized stablecoins exist, but they're inefficient in that they must be overcollateralized to cushion against falling asset values. - USDC & their kind are efficient, but at the cost of being centralization vectors as a result of current US legislation - An efficient synthetic stablecoin can exist, but it requires deep liquidity in the marketplace to keep the peg stable. (Probably > $100B at the ready to absorb panic sells) Synthetic stocks are the closest analogy available for this, but applied upon a currency. The chicken-and-egg means that bootstrapping something like this is not feasible at small scales: It needs to be big from the get go.

Tao3300 3y ago

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catlover76 3y ago
huh?
- Tao3300 3y ago
  As a rule of thumb, people calling crypto a "space" are trying to hustle you.
  - TheCapeGreek 3y ago
    huh? I'm no crypto fanatic, but I call plenty of things a "space". It's basically a synonym for niche?
    - Tao3300 3y ago
      Glad to hear that. Notice I said > rule of thumb Not to be confused with a universal law. See also that the other comments pointed out that the USDC recommendation didn't even make a whole lot of sense. Hmm...
      - TheCapeGreek 3y ago
        My point is even as a rule of thumb it doesn't make sense. You might as well just say that mentioning crypto at all is a red flag and call it a day.
        Tao3300 3y ago
        Whoa. You guessed my other rule!

krupan 3y ago

USDC and stablecoins are centrally controlled and do not solve the problems that we are talking about here.

FireBeyond 3y ago

From just one of those L2 networks: > Optimism is an EVM-equivalent Optimistic Rollup chain. I’ll be right back, I need to explain this one to grandma.

x-complexity 3y ago
> > Optimism is an EVM-equivalent Optimistic Rollup chain. > I’ll be right back, I need to explain this one to grandma. Term by term: - EVM-equivalent: The Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) is the part that allows smart contract code can be run on the network. EVM-equivalency means that you can just drop in your smart contract code, and it has to run as it would on Ethereum itself. - Optimistic Rollup: A Rollup is the current consensus for scaling up the network, by outsourcing compute to other networks, and pushing the important end state back into Ethereum. Optimistic rollups do this by assuming that there'll be at least 1 person to challenge a proposed block whenever that block's invalid. This setup however has the shortcoming of needing there to be a challenge window for other participants in the network to have time to respond.

amjnsx 3y ago

Just as an FYI, USDC & stablecoins (and CBDC's) are centralised and the same abuse of power is possible here too. Obviously being debanked in fiat and crypto at the same time is extremely unlikely...but possible if someone is REALLY out to get you.

x-complexity 3y ago
> Just as an FYI, USDC & stablecoins (and CBDC's) are centralised and the same abuse of power is possible here too. It's the unfortunate consequence of one gigantic unaddressable problem: USD can only be minted efficiently by the Fed. - Collateralized stablecoins exist, but they're inefficient in that they must be overcollateralized to cushion against falling asset values. - USDC & their kind are efficient, but at the cost of being centralization vectors as a result of current US legislation - An efficient synthetic stablecoin can exist, but it requires deep liquidity in the marketplace to keep the peg stable. (Probably > $100B at the ready to absorb panic sells) Synthetic stocks are the closest analogy available for this, but applied upon a currency. The chicken-and-egg means that bootstrapping something like this is not feasible at small scales: It needs to be big from the get go.