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I dunno why y’all are so anti-smart phone in the comments here. Phones are tools. I dunno why you would think disempowering yourself is a viable political strat
by kouru225 3y ago
I dunno why y’all are so anti-smart phone in the comments here. Phones are tools. I dunno why you would think disempowering yourself is a viable political strategy.
It’s like giving up your swords cause evil people are using swords to kill people and you wanna “protest.”
Much better to teach people to ignore sensationalist social media, which is the real problem here.
- jjgreen 3y agoYou carry a sword?
- Georgelemental 3y agoThe modern equivalent would be carrying a gun…
- SV_BubbleTime 3y agoI do that. I spent a lot less time being self-destructive with it than my phone.
- j45 3y agoLots of research on why phones for kids generally ends their childhood at the age they get it. Phone aren’t tools anymore. They are digital slot machines designed to increase usage. It’s well researched and established and an easy google. Using tech for creating instead of consuming is for kids and young people.
- meiraleal 3y ago> They are digital slot machines designed to increase usage You made me think about how when I started using the internet (early 2000s), it wasn't optimized like that and it was still so addictive. I can only imagine the damage it does to kids minds nowadays.
- kouru225 3y agoThis feels so much like 80s parents lamenting how comic books are ruining kids minds.
- xrd 3y agoDo you have kids? I've got kids, and addiction to tech is a real thing. Being a parent is so so hard, and then you add this thing that is designed to trigger every impulse. Every parent I know says "I'm so glad I didn't have to raise my kids with smart phones." And, I love comic books, and this is different.
- doubled112 3y agoI notice a big difference in behaviour between even old games (think SNES, PS1) and modern games. There's definitely something in the new ones.
- j45 3y agoSeems like a 4 month old spicy throwaway take account. Comics of the 80s felt designed to let kids imagine a world bigger than the one they were in they had a place in a bigger world. Stan Lee has some great interviews on it.
- Dah00n 3y agoExcept everyone knows it is true. Especially Meta, but a brave whistleblower made sure we all know. Well, at least I thought everyone know.
- j45 3y agoParents lamented about comic books? Link?
- philipswood 3y agoIf you far enough back parents lamented chess.
- kouru225 3y ago“Hammers aren’t tools anymore. They’re just another way to smash peoples faces in.”
- Dah00n 3y agoUsing hammers for their intended purpose doesn't cause people to get sick and harm or kill themselves. Neither does hammer manufactures find that this happens and yet try to hide it and then do everything they can to cause more harm.
- anigbrowl 3y agoI was literally just hammering a thing back into shape, and I'm glad the hammer doesn't have an interactive feature suggesting other things I might like to hit.
- PKop 3y ago"Every thing is the same because I made an analogy"
- xrd 3y agoThat's it: phones for kids generally ends their childhood when they get it. Yep.
- j45 3y agoSocial media on a smartphone deeply affects children. Leaders of the tech companies don’t let their own kids use it. Easy google. You have to ask people who grew up both with it and without it at the same time, not people who didn’t have it at all, or had nothing but tech. Why young brains are especially vulnerable to social media: https://www.apa.org/news/apa/2022/social-media-children-teens https://www.apa.org/news/apa/2022/social-media-children-teen... https://health.clevelandclinic.org/dangers-of-social-media-for-youth/ https://health.clevelandclinic.org/dangers-of-social-media-f... An interesting in between, look at the world as it’s changing way: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1047840X.2020.1820214 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1047840X.2020.1...
- 0xbadcafebee 3y agoYou don't have to use every tool in the world just because they exist. It also doesn't mean you're "disempowered". Choosing one or the other is a personal choice, for personal reasons, and doesn't necessarily imply something about that person, their morals, reasons, or abilities. One person could use a gas-powered weed whacker, while another weeds by hand. I'll bet you money the second person is a better gardener, knows more about how to get rid of weeds, enjoys themselves more, and is healthier. But they're shunning technology, oh no!! They must be a fool, to be pitied and judged. There's nothing wrong with giving up violent weapons for pacifist ideals. And "the real problem" is taking one person's life decisions and boiling them down to something inaccurate to fit your own narrative.
- thealistra 3y agoI am also scared by the amount of comments here saying that it is objectively good to grow up without the best technological advancement of recent years - supercomputer that fits in your pocket and you can lookup everything humanity has done in seconds. I understand the boomer sentiment of „phone bad”, but let’s be realistic. You can’t do banking, communication with friends and family, looking knowledge up without a phone. Some countries’ services also de facto require it (unless you want the process to take 3 months longer than it will using a phone). Best to educate the kid like parent comment said
- appplication 3y agoThe flip side is children do not need to be exposed to tech at a young age in order to natively learn it. Many of us grew up with VCRs, limited computer access, no phones. And we have learned how to both use and directly build some of the most sophisticated digital technology in the world today. You could raise a kid in a cave for the first 10 years of their life before giving them their first glimpse of a screen and by age 13 they’ll be on the same level as every other kid regarding technological literacy. It’s totally a valid parenting strategy to be skeptical of the value of screens for children.
- ajmurmann 3y agoI can do all those things on my laptop which I've never picked up and then wondered why. (granted, I've opened browser tabs and then wondered why I just did that)
- Dah00n 3y agoYou cannot educate a kid out of harms way from algorithms on Social Media like Instagram.
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- 0xbadcafebee 3y ago> You can’t do banking, communication with friends and family, looking knowledge up without a phone. And this is the proof of why people need to use smartphones less - you actually believe this, don't you? You can do banking through mail or at a bank office, you can communicate with family and friends a variety of ways without a phone, and you definitely do not need a phone to look up knowledge. Sheesh.
- nolongerthere 3y agoAh yes, we generally think it's a good idea to give children swords to play with unsupervised.
- autoexec 3y agoIt's weird that you think that you're "empowering" yourself when you carry a device that you don't control and which records everything about you. Keeping a cell phone involves massive trade offs where you have to give up a lot and expose yourself to tons of new risks in exchange for connectivity. There are other abilities you get with a phone but for most of those it would be better to use a device like a laptop which would be a little more cumbersome but less harmful and more powerful. A cell phone gives you some things while also taking many things from you. Sometimes the most empowering thing you can do is leave it at home.
- rossy 3y agoThis is just learned helplessness. If loss of control is a concern for you, there are FOSS privacy-focused operating systems you can install to your phone. You do control your phone.
- lrvick 3y agoThere are zero operating systems you can install on modern smartphone hardware that give you full control of your phone. Even the most open of Android Roms still require giving a bunch of proprietary drivers, firmware, and applications root access for the most basic of hardware functionality. A major reason I gave up on phones and got a tiny laptop to run qubes on.
- rossy 3y agoThere's a difference between avoiding the very-real tracking for targeted advertising that companies like Google do, and the paranoia that your camera blobs are tracking you just because they're proprietary. > proprietary [...] firmware Your tiny laptop has this too. > proprietary [...] applications There are plenty of AOSP-derived ROMs without this.
- lrvick 3y agoShow me even one AOSP based ROM that does not ship with proprietary software that runs on modern hardware. The vendor partition is a black hole of poorly understood and mostly proprietary garbage that can do whatever it wants. Also if you do not ship your ROMs without OMA-DM and similar malware, you are not even permitted to connect to some cell networks. There are a comical number of apps and blobs copied from the vendor partition of stock roms to make most of those "open source" roms function on recent devices. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/GrapheneOS/vendor_state/14/sunfish.json https://raw.githubusercontent.com/GrapheneOS/vendor_state/14... At least on a laptop I can run QubesOS to hypervisor isolate the rare hardware that requires blobs, like wifi.
- lrvick 3y agoI run a tech company and owe a lot of my success, social life improvements, and mental health of recent years to giving up cell phones so I am always present in one thing at a time. I am online only when I am in front of a desktop computer, or rarely a laptop when traveling. We humans are just not built to be efficient when constantly context switching.
- dudul 3y agoNeither smartphones nor swords are appropriate tools to be given to a 10 year old.