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The original birders gave photography a run for its money
- justinator 3y agoI'm not sure if it's mentioned, but to get these illustrations, they killed the birds first. Birders of history did a lot of bird killing, some which lead to species extinction. Which is somewhat ironic.
- duncan-donuts 3y agoDo you have any sources on birders directly causing extinction? I think it’s absolutely wild that someone in that profession would drive a species to extinction just to draw it so I’m curious to read more.
- justinator 3y agoOne of the most famous is Rollo Beck and the quelili. Collecting bird species was a very fashionable thing to do, the rarer the more money it brought in. Better to stuff it and exhibit it than to lose it to the forest - this is before conservation was as concept was a thing. We're losing bird species like crazy - mostly due to lose of habitat (the big reason for the quelili as well). We're never going to learn.
- melagonster 3y agowe drive a lot of species extinction because cat is cute.
- h0l0cube 3y agoI agree that cats are cute, but apparently they also make a good casserole https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-24/alice-springs-author-spoke-on-tv-about-eating-cats/6643358 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-24/alice-springs-author-...
- tsunagatta 3y agoMrs. Mooney has a pie shop — Does a business but I’ve noticed something weird — Lately all the neighbors’ cats have disappeared! - Mrs. Lovett, Sweeney Todd
- slowhand09 3y agoYou should google "far side" fifi chicken
- renewiltord 3y agoYeah but we also overestimate that because when you trace all the references back you come to a dubious statistic formed from someone predisposed to the position.
- melagonster 3y agowe don't need argue with how it work in current environment. there are a lot of people take cat to their new home in history.
- Retric 3y agoSure, anything you don’t like must come from biased sources. It doesn’t trace back to a single statistic, multiple independent studies have looked into it. The often quoted 1 billion birds killed is actually below most scientific estimates of around 1.3 to 4 billion: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380 https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380 With domestic cats causing ~31% of the ~2.4 billion deaths and strays making up the majority. You can get similar numbers by ignoring domestic cats and simply look at the stray population and roughly estimate how much meat they need to survive and then compare the percentage of bids vs small mammals caught.
- renewiltord 3y agoIt's a classic thing to take anything printed in that style as gospel. Have you actually read it? You'll have to ask yourself why this works: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380/tables/1 https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380/tables/1 Besides just the fact that the American bobcat's range is all of the continental USA and it can outcompete the domestic cat in the wild for prey easily. Sort of a natural limitation of science is that any "study" is treated as gospel truth by people not acquainted with the process or the mathematical knowledge required to verify. I don't even have cats.
- Retric 3y agoBobcats are wildly outnumbered by stray cats. If anything it’s strays that are out competing them. Here’s a 2010 estimate of 2,352,276 to 3,571,681 bobcats in the US: https://meridian.allenpress.com/jfwm/article/1/2/169/206731/Bobcat-Population-Status-and-Management-in-North https://meridian.allenpress.com/jfwm/article/1/2/169/206731/... Even low ends of the estimates for US stray cat population is 10x that. The majority of them need to hunt life prey to survive vs handouts, which is mostly small mammals but anyone that’s been around outdoor cats notices the birds are on the menu. I’ll turn this around what percentage of a wild cats diet do you think are birds? 5% or 15%? You can work out the pounds of meat they need to survive a year and work back to number of birds needed.
- eszed 3y agoThere are stories of 19th / early-20th century birders hunting and killing the last known examples of particular species. It was a squalid practice, to be sure, but it's a reach to say that collecting (as opposed to the commercial hunting or habitat destruction which had driven those species to the brink) was caused their extinctions.
- nathancahill 3y agoSome of the older field books had tasting notes for the birds they described.
- tristramb 3y agoThe original specimen of Rhea pennata (Darwin's Rhea) was cooked and served up as a meal before Darwin realised that it was a new species: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin%27s_rhea#History_of_the_discovery_of_the_genus_Rhea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin%27s_rhea#History_of_the...
- jacquesgt 3y agoThe names of some birds still reflect this. For example, the ring-necked duck has a ring around its neck that’s almost impossible to see a on a live bird.
- kazinator 3y agoYes, given how, ahem, life-like the drawings are.
- hoppyhoppy2 3y agoGift Link in case you run into a paywall: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/books/the-original-birders-gave-photography-a-run-for-its-money.html?unlocked_article_code=1.8Uw.f0gm.wPrvwa7aLdke&smid=url-share https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/books/the-original-birder...
- stevage 3y agoThanks. Eye opening comments!
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- RheingoldRiver 3y agoTIL "Audubon" is some guy's name. In retrospect pretty obvious, but as a kid I always thought it was some word with a very technical bird-related meaning.
- Libcat99 3y agoThere's numerous audobon centers in the US, including one in Audobon Pennsylvania with examples of his work. His works were life sized, so the book that contains the is enormous given that we have some very large birds across the country.
- irrational 3y agoI recently learned that Stellar Jays are actually Stellar's Jays, some guy's name. I always thought Stellar referred their deep blue and black color, like InterStellar space.
- bmj 3y agoThere are dozens of birds named in a similar way -- Cooper's Hawk, Brewer's Sparrow, Wilson's Warbler, etc, etc.
- AnotherGoodName 3y agoAlso Wingspan is a great board game where you learn all of this. I suspect there may be some players in this thread :)
- acomjean 3y agoTo be fair, there are birds where the name is the description. Red Wing Black Bird, Blue Jay, snowy egret...
- neilpa 3y agoNot for much longer https://americanornithology.org/american-ornithological-society-will-change-the-english-names-of-bird-species-named-after-people/ https://americanornithology.org/american-ornithological-soci...
- irrational 3y agoThese remind me of the artwork of Ana María Martínez Jaramillo and Natalia Rojas for the board game Wingspan. https://www.nataliarojasart.com/portfolio https://www.nataliarojasart.com/portfolio This interview has information about how they create their drawings. https://www.greenhookgames.com/wingspan-artists/ https://www.greenhookgames.com/wingspan-artists/
- Archelaos 3y agoFor the entire "The birds of America" see: https://archive.org/details/birdsofamericafr01audu https://archive.org/details/birdsofamericafr01audu
- acomjean 3y agoA lot of Bird Guides are done by artists (not photographs). Roger Torry Peterson/ Sibley. I like them, as there is a fair amount of "variation" in birds (age/season) so the guides with photos sometimes are too exact, and they can't highlight all variations. David Sibley's are what I keep in my bag. (He has a birding basics guide thats pretty good too) https://www.sibleyguides.com/ https://www.sibleyguides.com/ Roger Torry Peterson (RIP) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Tory_Peterson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Tory_Peterson has an institute named after him https://rtpi.org/about/ https://rtpi.org/about/
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- dwd 3y agoIn Australia we had the Gould league, named in honour of John and Elizabeth Gould. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gould_League https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gould_League They produced these fantastic art posters for bird identification.
- kazinator 3y agoI don't know about photography, but these people sure had an iron grasp on drawing the rest of the fucking owl.