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Just do it in China or Russia then.

threeseed 3y ago
There are export controls for the highest end GPUs. And history has shown that companies don't just move to China/Russia because the US market is so lucrative.
- cscurmudgeon 3y ago
  Where did Apple manufacture its phones?
  - threeseed 3y ago
    Apple never moved to China. And their phones are manufactured in China, India and Vietnam.
    - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
      > Apple never moved to China. Nobody said that. Please don't do straw men arguments. They moved most of their manufacturing to China.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  1. Highest-end silicon is not strictly necessary. Most people here can surely appreciate just how fast microprocessors in general are today? 2. The export controls have exceptions, loopholes, and people with strong wills.[1][2] 3. China is slowly but steadily freeing itself from import dependence.[3] [1]: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/23/08/21/203241/china-keeps-buying-hobbled-nvidia-cards-to-train-its-ai-models https://tech.slashdot.org/story/23/08/21/203241/china-keeps-... [2]: https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/23/09/09/1849221/huawei-shocks-with-advanced-new-smartphone-built-with-south-korean-memory-chips https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/23/09/09/1849221/huawei-sh... [3]: https://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23071327&cid=63874153 https://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23071327&cid=638...
- roenxi 3y ago
  For most of history, China wasn't the wealthy superpower it has been since around 2020. There is an argument that China has the world's largest economy and it is nestled in the middle of the region that is best known for high-tech manufacturing. It is still possible that they'll fumble this somehow, but the fundamentals are solidly on the side of China becoming the place to do AI training.
- w4 3y ago
  Export controls for GPUs that are exclusively manufactured a hundred miles off of China’s coast in Taiwan, a nation that the CCP considers to be part of China, and that it has explicit plans to take by military force in the coming years? It’s not as secure and stable of a situation as you present.
cscurmudgeon 3y ago
That’s what will happen and we will wondering how China got to be number one in AI (like we do now for China and manufacturing).
Tyr42 3y ago
China has similar rules, but tighter u less it's for national security.
narism 3y ago
China is one of the first countries to regulate AI development: https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/07/10/china-s-ai-regulations-and-how-they-get-made-pub-90117 https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/07/10/china-s-ai-regulati...

There are export controls for the highest end GPUs. And history has shown that companies don't just move to China/Russia because the US market is so lucrative.

cscurmudgeon 3y ago
Where did Apple manufacture its phones?
- threeseed 3y ago
  Apple never moved to China. And their phones are manufactured in China, India and Vietnam.
  - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
    > Apple never moved to China. Nobody said that. Please don't do straw men arguments. They moved most of their manufacturing to China.
Dalewyn 3y ago
1. Highest-end silicon is not strictly necessary. Most people here can surely appreciate just how fast microprocessors in general are today? 2. The export controls have exceptions, loopholes, and people with strong wills.[1][2] 3. China is slowly but steadily freeing itself from import dependence.[3] [1]: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/23/08/21/203241/china-keeps-buying-hobbled-nvidia-cards-to-train-its-ai-models https://tech.slashdot.org/story/23/08/21/203241/china-keeps-... [2]: https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/23/09/09/1849221/huawei-shocks-with-advanced-new-smartphone-built-with-south-korean-memory-chips https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/23/09/09/1849221/huawei-sh... [3]: https://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23071327&cid=63874153 https://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23071327&cid=638...
roenxi 3y ago
For most of history, China wasn't the wealthy superpower it has been since around 2020. There is an argument that China has the world's largest economy and it is nestled in the middle of the region that is best known for high-tech manufacturing. It is still possible that they'll fumble this somehow, but the fundamentals are solidly on the side of China becoming the place to do AI training.
w4 3y ago
Export controls for GPUs that are exclusively manufactured a hundred miles off of China’s coast in Taiwan, a nation that the CCP considers to be part of China, and that it has explicit plans to take by military force in the coming years? It’s not as secure and stable of a situation as you present.

cscurmudgeon 3y ago

That’s what will happen and we will wondering how China got to be number one in AI (like we do now for China and manufacturing).

Tyr42 3y ago

China has similar rules, but tighter u less it's for national security.

narism 3y ago

China is one of the first countries to regulate AI development: https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/07/10/china-s-ai-regulations-and-how-they-get-made-pub-90117 https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/07/10/china-s-ai-regulati...