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I typed something very similar in parallel with you. Guess the engineering typically required is no more? At least not here.

mschuster91 3y ago
Pay peanuts get monkeys. Game dev has been infamous for taking in young, fresh college graduates, promise them "credits" and "fun life" and then run them through the grinder for shit pay. And eventually, even those who survived the grinder and ended up living long enough to become seniors burn out, and that's how you get this kind of clusterfuck in the end. Game dev seriously needs to follow the VFX industry and unionize. I have zero trust left in fellow gamers to not buy games from unethical producers.
- ajmurmann 3y ago
  Make people work 12 hour days to ship before you go out of business and corners will need to get cut. Insulting engineers and describing them as "monkeys" because you are unaware of businesses function is quite unwarranted. "Real engineers" need to take a real look at themselves!
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    "Pay peanuts get monkeys" is a proverb. > Make people work 12 hour days to ship before you go out of business and corners will need to get cut. Won't happen. The US barely has any employment laws, and so do many other countries of the world.
    - ajmurmann 3y ago
      What won't happen?
      - mschuster91 3y ago
        As long as the government doesn't ban employing people for 12 hours and more straight for weeks, and actually enforces that ban, there will always be enough employers doing so, and enough people willing to go through with it "for the credits".
        ajmurmann 3y ago
        Especially in am industry that sees depressed wages because it's the dream job for many. I'm still not sure what from my original statement won't happen.
    - anticensor 3y ago
      Colossal Order is in Finland and Paradox Interactive is in Sweden, both of which have strong employment laws.
- chc 3y ago
  Game dev in general is that way, but my impression was that Colossal Order had traditionally been a little better than most. I suppose I may have been mistaken.

mschuster91 3y ago

Pay peanuts get monkeys. Game dev has been infamous for taking in young, fresh college graduates, promise them "credits" and "fun life" and then run them through the grinder for shit pay. And eventually, even those who survived the grinder and ended up living long enough to become seniors burn out, and that's how you get this kind of clusterfuck in the end. Game dev seriously needs to follow the VFX industry and unionize. I have zero trust left in fellow gamers to not buy games from unethical producers.

ajmurmann 3y ago
Make people work 12 hour days to ship before you go out of business and corners will need to get cut. Insulting engineers and describing them as "monkeys" because you are unaware of businesses function is quite unwarranted. "Real engineers" need to take a real look at themselves!
- mschuster91 3y ago
  "Pay peanuts get monkeys" is a proverb. > Make people work 12 hour days to ship before you go out of business and corners will need to get cut. Won't happen. The US barely has any employment laws, and so do many other countries of the world.
  - ajmurmann 3y ago
    What won't happen?
    - mschuster91 3y ago
      As long as the government doesn't ban employing people for 12 hours and more straight for weeks, and actually enforces that ban, there will always be enough employers doing so, and enough people willing to go through with it "for the credits".
      - ajmurmann 3y ago
        Especially in am industry that sees depressed wages because it's the dream job for many. I'm still not sure what from my original statement won't happen.
  - anticensor 3y ago
    Colossal Order is in Finland and Paradox Interactive is in Sweden, both of which have strong employment laws.
chc 3y ago
Game dev in general is that way, but my impression was that Colossal Order had traditionally been a little better than most. I suppose I may have been mistaken.