It doesn't have to mean that. There is always nuance in the middle. I'd simply say this: If you are still coming into direct contact with containerization tech

It doesn't have to mean that. There is always nuance in the middle. I'd simply say this: If you are still coming into direct contact with containerization tech, I don't think you are extracting the maximum amount of value that is currently available on these platforms. Today, I don't know how many machines are actually supporting our production environment. I don't care anymore. That is the central value proposition.