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> Everybody says you need to wear black. That is false. Look, if you just made it for everybody, it would no longer be a club with an underground image. Bergh

by deng 3y ago

> Everybody says you need to wear black. That is false. Look, if you just made it for everybody, it would no longer be a club with an underground image. Berghain is a tourist magnet because it simply is an unbelievable location straight out of a Mad Max movie, paired with a Funktion-One sound system that fits your head like a headphone, featuring the best techno DJs in the world, and you can spend your whole weekend there without ever leaving the club. They surely do not struggle financially, on the contrary, the owners are probably swimming in money and only still do it because it's fun. Besides, let me say there's lots of other clubs in Berlin you can go to. The article is correct that there used to be much, much more, but the main issue for clubs is not attendance, but like pretty much in every big city: rising rent and neighbors who complain about noise and garbage.

cedws 3y ago
>if you just made it for everybody, it would no longer be a club with an underground image. It is clearly not underground because everybody knows about it. It only achieves the "image" through arbitrary discrimination. That is the least punk as you can get. None of what you said makes Berghain great goes away by letting more people experience it. The sound system and DJs will still be there. I guarantee if Berghain stopped trying to be techno Mecca, the riff raff would lose interest, and you wouldn't need the picky bouncers. There's a particular club I go to in London that this works perfectly well for.
- deng 3y ago
  I said "underground image". Go find an illegal rave if you want underground. Go to a punk dive bar if you want punk. Berghain simply wants to make sure that it's not overrun by tourists, because once that happens, the only thing you can do afterwards is close shop. At least it's not discrimination through money like in plenty of other clubs. You cannot buy a VIP table at Berghain. That's pretty refreshing.
  - Gud 3y ago
    It's already over run by tourists, except now only tourists who can afford to look the right way on social media are allowed in.
    - vinckr 3y ago
      Is that you personal experience? In my experience there is no "right way to look" when going to Berghain, most people online have no idea what the club actually is and just keep repeating the same old tired clichees - like the fantasy that you have to be dressed all black or something to get in. In my experience the bouncer just sees if you will have a good time at the party or not. And that is what they select on. Once you worked some years at a club door you can see instantly who should get in and who shouldn't. Clothing is an indicator but its not the important one. Its about the look in your eyes.
      - _dain_ 3y ago
        >Its about the look in your eyes. that sounds so lame tbh. i thought most people left behind this social scarcity shit after sixth form.
        projectazorian 3y ago
        Welcome to the “underground” scene, where middle school level behavior is still regarded as the height of sophistication. Almost like actual adults who still sport non-drug-addled brains should run away as quickly as possible.
        explaininjs 3y ago
        It is, in a sense, the opposite end of the "autism spectrum". An innate deep understanding of social cues and general empathy.
        twixfel 3y ago
        The German "underground" scene is just completely backwards and childish. They're so forward thinking and advanced that they've wrapped right around having experienced some sort of integer overflow and started caring deeply about how other people (strangers) dress all over again. Like being back at school. The "scene" is a joke.
- boppo1 3y ago
  >least punk Punk isn't punk anymore. When Google & other major corporations espouse the same core tenets of inclusivity, you're not rejecting or rebelling against anything. Perhaps Berghain and other exclusive clubs do not care about a 'punk' identity.

by deng 3y ago

cedws 3y ago

>if you just made it for everybody, it would no longer be a club with an underground image. It is clearly not underground because everybody knows about it. It only achieves the "image" through arbitrary discrimination. That is the least punk as you can get. None of what you said makes Berghain great goes away by letting more people experience it. The sound system and DJs will still be there. I guarantee if Berghain stopped trying to be techno Mecca, the riff raff would lose interest, and you wouldn't need the picky bouncers. There's a particular club I go to in London that this works perfectly well for.

deng 3y ago
I said "underground image". Go find an illegal rave if you want underground. Go to a punk dive bar if you want punk. Berghain simply wants to make sure that it's not overrun by tourists, because once that happens, the only thing you can do afterwards is close shop. At least it's not discrimination through money like in plenty of other clubs. You cannot buy a VIP table at Berghain. That's pretty refreshing.
- Gud 3y ago
  It's already over run by tourists, except now only tourists who can afford to look the right way on social media are allowed in.
  - vinckr 3y ago
    Is that you personal experience? In my experience there is no "right way to look" when going to Berghain, most people online have no idea what the club actually is and just keep repeating the same old tired clichees - like the fantasy that you have to be dressed all black or something to get in. In my experience the bouncer just sees if you will have a good time at the party or not. And that is what they select on. Once you worked some years at a club door you can see instantly who should get in and who shouldn't. Clothing is an indicator but its not the important one. Its about the look in your eyes.
    - _dain_ 3y ago
      >Its about the look in your eyes. that sounds so lame tbh. i thought most people left behind this social scarcity shit after sixth form.
      - projectazorian 3y ago
        Welcome to the “underground” scene, where middle school level behavior is still regarded as the height of sophistication. Almost like actual adults who still sport non-drug-addled brains should run away as quickly as possible.
        explaininjs 3y ago
        It is, in a sense, the opposite end of the "autism spectrum". An innate deep understanding of social cues and general empathy.
        twixfel 3y ago
        The German "underground" scene is just completely backwards and childish. They're so forward thinking and advanced that they've wrapped right around having experienced some sort of integer overflow and started caring deeply about how other people (strangers) dress all over again. Like being back at school. The "scene" is a joke.
boppo1 3y ago
>least punk Punk isn't punk anymore. When Google & other major corporations espouse the same core tenets of inclusivity, you're not rejecting or rebelling against anything. Perhaps Berghain and other exclusive clubs do not care about a 'punk' identity.