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Actually, Berghain does it pretty well. Usually the bouncers walk the line and already tell people when they definitely will not get in. This avoids a lot of dr

by deng 3y ago

Actually, Berghain does it pretty well. Usually the bouncers walk the line and already tell people when they definitely will not get in. This avoids a lot of drama at the door, and people don't have to wait needlessly and can still comfortably go someplace else. Berghain is one of the most famous clubs in the world. It has and cultivates an underground image, which is why people want to go there in the first place. You don't need a "uniform", on the contrary, individualism is what will get you in without problems. Just don't be an obvious tourist who just wants to tick a box for their Berlin visit.

cedws 3y ago
Berghain has created the problem of being a tourist magnet for itself by being exclusive. As someone who loves techno, I'd much rather everybody gets to join in and enjoy themselves instead of just those who meet the bar. As long as you establish rules, like no photos/videos. You can't "convert" people who don't get the experience. >You don't need a "uniform", Everybody says you need to wear black. Even the tourists have wisened up to that.
- deng 3y ago
  > Everybody says you need to wear black. That is false. Look, if you just made it for everybody, it would no longer be a club with an underground image. Berghain is a tourist magnet because it simply is an unbelievable location straight out of a Mad Max movie, paired with a Funktion-One sound system that fits your head like a headphone, featuring the best techno DJs in the world, and you can spend your whole weekend there without ever leaving the club. They surely do not struggle financially, on the contrary, the owners are probably swimming in money and only still do it because it's fun. Besides, let me say there's lots of other clubs in Berlin you can go to. The article is correct that there used to be much, much more, but the main issue for clubs is not attendance, but like pretty much in every big city: rising rent and neighbors who complain about noise and garbage.
  - cedws 3y ago
    >if you just made it for everybody, it would no longer be a club with an underground image. It is clearly not underground because everybody knows about it. It only achieves the "image" through arbitrary discrimination. That is the least punk as you can get. None of what you said makes Berghain great goes away by letting more people experience it. The sound system and DJs will still be there. I guarantee if Berghain stopped trying to be techno Mecca, the riff raff would lose interest, and you wouldn't need the picky bouncers. There's a particular club I go to in London that this works perfectly well for.
    - deng 3y ago
      I said "underground image". Go find an illegal rave if you want underground. Go to a punk dive bar if you want punk. Berghain simply wants to make sure that it's not overrun by tourists, because once that happens, the only thing you can do afterwards is close shop. At least it's not discrimination through money like in plenty of other clubs. You cannot buy a VIP table at Berghain. That's pretty refreshing.
      - Gud 3y ago
        It's already over run by tourists, except now only tourists who can afford to look the right way on social media are allowed in.
        vinckr 3y ago
        Is that you personal experience? In my experience there is no "right way to look" when going to Berghain, most people online have no idea what the club actually is and just keep repeating the same old tired clichees - like the fantasy that you have to be dressed all black or something to get in. In my experience the bouncer just sees if you will have a good time at the party or not. And that is what they select on. Once you worked some years at a club door you can see instantly who should get in and who shouldn't. Clothing is an indicator but its not the important one. Its about the look in your eyes.
- Blahah 3y ago
  Just wearing black is not gonna get you into Berghain. The main criterion is unashamed indivual expression. If you are trying to get in by wearing a uniform you're not gonna have a good time (either in the queue or the club). I've only ever been in outfits that were colourful, and weird, and me. Beyond the outfit you are also most likely to get in if you are clearly bringing your personal uniqueness and energy to the place rather than expecting an experience, and if you show respect for the culture, everyone else present, and that you are able to handle something out of the ordinary. Are you gonna have a good time in there and not ruin anyone else's time? You'll get in.
  - neom 3y ago
    I've been to Berghain quite a few times, each time I wore the same thing. black dress shoes no socks, black knee length "cut jean" shorts, and a white dress shirt 3 buttons undone. Never had any issues, I got the impression your vibe matters a lot more than how you're dressed? I love Berghain, it's great spot, crazy how kind and fun everyone is when you're in there.
    - Blahah 3y ago
      Agree completely about the vibe. Outfit is really just a way to read vibe, but not at all the only one. That outfit sounds like you weren't trying to be anything someone else expects, which is precisely the kind of thing that demonstrates you would be a good fit. The culture in Berghain (and many Berlin clubs) is amazing - and part of the reason is the selectivity!
    - bambataa 3y ago
      Aren’t dress shoes without socks very sweaty and painful to wear?
mensetmanusman 3y ago
Pro tip: don’t wear tennis shoes.
- remotefonts 3y ago
  Shoes? When I rave I dance barefoot, like it should be. Ofcourse, I wouldn't go to a rave between walls even if someone paid me to. Open air or bust
throw_m239339 3y ago
> It has and cultivates an underground image, There is absolutely nothing underground about Berghain and that fake ass techno revival, not since the last 15 years.
mikosty 3y ago
>Usually the bouncers walk the line and already tell people when they definitely will not get in. Not true. I have never seen or heard anything like this to happen at the Berghain queue.
munksbeer 3y ago
> You don't need a "uniform", on the contrary, individualism is what will get you in without problems. This in incredibly ironic. What if I like wearimg denim jeans, a smart shirt and brown shoes? That'll be considered not individualist enough and I won't get in?

by deng 3y ago

cedws 3y ago

Berghain has created the problem of being a tourist magnet for itself by being exclusive. As someone who loves techno, I'd much rather everybody gets to join in and enjoy themselves instead of just those who meet the bar. As long as you establish rules, like no photos/videos. You can't "convert" people who don't get the experience. >You don't need a "uniform", Everybody says you need to wear black. Even the tourists have wisened up to that.

deng 3y ago
> Everybody says you need to wear black. That is false. Look, if you just made it for everybody, it would no longer be a club with an underground image. Berghain is a tourist magnet because it simply is an unbelievable location straight out of a Mad Max movie, paired with a Funktion-One sound system that fits your head like a headphone, featuring the best techno DJs in the world, and you can spend your whole weekend there without ever leaving the club. They surely do not struggle financially, on the contrary, the owners are probably swimming in money and only still do it because it's fun. Besides, let me say there's lots of other clubs in Berlin you can go to. The article is correct that there used to be much, much more, but the main issue for clubs is not attendance, but like pretty much in every big city: rising rent and neighbors who complain about noise and garbage.
- cedws 3y ago
  >if you just made it for everybody, it would no longer be a club with an underground image. It is clearly not underground because everybody knows about it. It only achieves the "image" through arbitrary discrimination. That is the least punk as you can get. None of what you said makes Berghain great goes away by letting more people experience it. The sound system and DJs will still be there. I guarantee if Berghain stopped trying to be techno Mecca, the riff raff would lose interest, and you wouldn't need the picky bouncers. There's a particular club I go to in London that this works perfectly well for.
  - deng 3y ago
    I said "underground image". Go find an illegal rave if you want underground. Go to a punk dive bar if you want punk. Berghain simply wants to make sure that it's not overrun by tourists, because once that happens, the only thing you can do afterwards is close shop. At least it's not discrimination through money like in plenty of other clubs. You cannot buy a VIP table at Berghain. That's pretty refreshing.
    - Gud 3y ago
      It's already over run by tourists, except now only tourists who can afford to look the right way on social media are allowed in.
      - vinckr 3y ago
        Is that you personal experience? In my experience there is no "right way to look" when going to Berghain, most people online have no idea what the club actually is and just keep repeating the same old tired clichees - like the fantasy that you have to be dressed all black or something to get in. In my experience the bouncer just sees if you will have a good time at the party or not. And that is what they select on. Once you worked some years at a club door you can see instantly who should get in and who shouldn't. Clothing is an indicator but its not the important one. Its about the look in your eyes.
Blahah 3y ago
Just wearing black is not gonna get you into Berghain. The main criterion is unashamed indivual expression. If you are trying to get in by wearing a uniform you're not gonna have a good time (either in the queue or the club). I've only ever been in outfits that were colourful, and weird, and me. Beyond the outfit you are also most likely to get in if you are clearly bringing your personal uniqueness and energy to the place rather than expecting an experience, and if you show respect for the culture, everyone else present, and that you are able to handle something out of the ordinary. Are you gonna have a good time in there and not ruin anyone else's time? You'll get in.
- neom 3y ago
  I've been to Berghain quite a few times, each time I wore the same thing. black dress shoes no socks, black knee length "cut jean" shorts, and a white dress shirt 3 buttons undone. Never had any issues, I got the impression your vibe matters a lot more than how you're dressed? I love Berghain, it's great spot, crazy how kind and fun everyone is when you're in there.
  - Blahah 3y ago
    Agree completely about the vibe. Outfit is really just a way to read vibe, but not at all the only one. That outfit sounds like you weren't trying to be anything someone else expects, which is precisely the kind of thing that demonstrates you would be a good fit. The culture in Berghain (and many Berlin clubs) is amazing - and part of the reason is the selectivity!
  - bambataa 3y ago
    Aren’t dress shoes without socks very sweaty and painful to wear?

mensetmanusman 3y ago

Pro tip: don’t wear tennis shoes.

remotefonts 3y ago
Shoes? When I rave I dance barefoot, like it should be. Ofcourse, I wouldn't go to a rave between walls even if someone paid me to. Open air or bust

throw_m239339 3y ago

> It has and cultivates an underground image, There is absolutely nothing underground about Berghain and that fake ass techno revival, not since the last 15 years.

mikosty 3y ago

>Usually the bouncers walk the line and already tell people when they definitely will not get in. Not true. I have never seen or heard anything like this to happen at the Berghain queue.

munksbeer 3y ago

> You don't need a "uniform", on the contrary, individualism is what will get you in without problems. This in incredibly ironic. What if I like wearimg denim jeans, a smart shirt and brown shoes? That'll be considered not individualist enough and I won't get in?