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Beyond technological changes to the power supply and carbon taxes and regulations for industries, the bottom line is that the number of people is the multiplier

by z0r 3y ago

Beyond technological changes to the power supply and carbon taxes and regulations for industries, the bottom line is that the number of people is the multiplier for the carbon footprint. So a country like Japan, which is often ridiculed as being xenophobic and foolish for allowing their population to decline (what about the economy??? the liberals say), is really a model for a more sustainable future. Economic growth is propped up by population growth, and both of these are at odds with tackling climate change.

kjkjadksj 3y ago
Japan is hardly a model. You can’t just deny immigration in every country in the world and have the worlds oppressed and poor floating in international waters. Japan also has the US funding certain things it would have had to fund out of taxes if it were actually fully independent after wwii ended, and not a de facto client state reconstructed for american military and business interests.
- tremon 3y ago
  You can’t just deny immigration in every country in the world and have the worlds oppressed and poor floating in international waters Why not? This isn't an absolute, so don't present it as one. Argue your point with something better than a false dichotomy, please.
- pauldenton 3y ago
  Japan is the model because they don't rely on continual immigration. Most Western countries react to young people saying they cannot afford to have kids by bringing in immigrants. Not reducing the cost of housing or raising a family. Japan doesn't just import people to solve the affordability problem and that's why they're the model. Unlike Britain, Canada, Sweden or the US
- PeterisP 3y ago
  > You can’t just deny immigration in every country in the world and have the worlds oppressed and poor floating in international waters. I understand that this shouldn't happen for moral reasons, but at least some aspects of that are very likely - if anything, it seems totally fictional to expect that the unequal burdens and harms of the climate changes will be shared equally by the world offering all the support, all our history and sociology demonstrates that while there will definitely be some charity and support, on the grand scale the self-interest of various groups will be a dominating factor.
- Tams80 3y ago
  > You can’t just deny immigration in every country in the world and have the worlds oppressed and poor floating in international waters. Well, you can and even much worse. Depending on how bad the migrant crisis get, we might well see that much worse. Those boats that the coastguard don't get to in time... yeah.
hulitu 3y ago
> Beyond technological changes to the power supply and carbon taxes and regulations for industries, A modern CPU still uses 100W of power and this is ok.

by z0r 3y ago

kjkjadksj 3y ago

Japan is hardly a model. You can’t just deny immigration in every country in the world and have the worlds oppressed and poor floating in international waters. Japan also has the US funding certain things it would have had to fund out of taxes if it were actually fully independent after wwii ended, and not a de facto client state reconstructed for american military and business interests.

tremon 3y ago
You can’t just deny immigration in every country in the world and have the worlds oppressed and poor floating in international waters Why not? This isn't an absolute, so don't present it as one. Argue your point with something better than a false dichotomy, please.
pauldenton 3y ago
Japan is the model because they don't rely on continual immigration. Most Western countries react to young people saying they cannot afford to have kids by bringing in immigrants. Not reducing the cost of housing or raising a family. Japan doesn't just import people to solve the affordability problem and that's why they're the model. Unlike Britain, Canada, Sweden or the US
PeterisP 3y ago
> You can’t just deny immigration in every country in the world and have the worlds oppressed and poor floating in international waters. I understand that this shouldn't happen for moral reasons, but at least some aspects of that are very likely - if anything, it seems totally fictional to expect that the unequal burdens and harms of the climate changes will be shared equally by the world offering all the support, all our history and sociology demonstrates that while there will definitely be some charity and support, on the grand scale the self-interest of various groups will be a dominating factor.
Tams80 3y ago
> You can’t just deny immigration in every country in the world and have the worlds oppressed and poor floating in international waters. Well, you can and even much worse. Depending on how bad the migrant crisis get, we might well see that much worse. Those boats that the coastguard don't get to in time... yeah.

hulitu 3y ago

> Beyond technological changes to the power supply and carbon taxes and regulations for industries, A modern CPU still uses 100W of power and this is ok.