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The problem is that propaganda today just means "propaganda of the enemy". Of course we can't admit that, only Russia/et al does propaganda. Fine, but that also
by lyu07282 3y ago
The problem is that propaganda today just means "propaganda of the enemy". Of course we can't admit that, only Russia/et al does propaganda. Fine, but that also then means that we can never meaningfully educate people to recognize propaganda. It ends up being just "trust us, not them" and it doesn't work.
- imjonse 3y agoJust like fake news is always 'the news the others read'.
- d0mine 3y agoIt does work. People are tribal. Keep them in the dark and it is easier to rule them. «Сила правительства держится на невежестве народа, и оно знает это и потому всегда будет бороться против просвещения.» Лев Толстой (1896)
- thriftwy 3y agoThe problem with Tolstoi is that he seemed to take adversarial propaganda at the face value. The truth is, not only your government is doing the fishing.
- Ingaz 3y agoExcuse me I don't understand where is "the problem with Tolstoi" in this sentence. He wrote about every government and every people on the Earth - "every government tries to keep people uneducated" It's not about tzarism in Russia and not about XIX century
- keiferski 3y agoIt is actually useful, though, when one group labels another as propaganda: it's a big flashing sign that says, "we can't debunk them via open dialogue, so we will just prevent you from listening to them." If the supposed propaganda were absurd and false on its face, there would be no need to engage with it at all.
- giraffe_lady 3y agoIt's very naive to think that "debunking" propaganda, or anything really, disarms its effectiveness.
- keiferski 3y agoCalling something naive isn't an argument. Do you have one?
- giraffe_lady 3y agoYa try reading the rest of the sentence I guess.
- realusername 3y agothe modern propaganda departments like the one in Russia pushes dozen of competing and contradictory stories, debunking it doesn't matter, they print BS faster than what you can analyze to get a few to stick and will point to a different one as you try anyways.
- jhbadger 3y agoThat's very culture-dependent. The PRC has a literal Propaganda Department of the CCP called so in Chinese and until recently in English (It is now called the "Publicity Department" probably because they've figured out how negative "propaganda" sounds in English). It is just accepted that the CCP will provide support for their positions ("propaganda") without providing the "other side". And Vietnam still calls their version a "propaganda department". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publicity_Department_of_the_Chinese_Communist_Party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publicity_Department_of_the_Ch... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Propaganda_Department_of_the_Communist_Party_of_Vietnam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Propaganda_Department_...