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People are going to tear thing thing apart and help build a solid case for why these guardrails are built in in the first place.

soulofmischief 3y ago
Elon is ironically going to be a part of the reason that access to foundational models will be banned in the US in the wake of Biden's recent executive order.
- TaylorAlexander 3y ago
  I hope that does not happen but I do suspect this will backfire in some way. Hopefully it would ultimately be beneficial, demonstrating why handling these models with care is worthwhile.
- mvelbaum 3y ago
  That executive order is an affront to intelligence and must be cancelled ASAP by the next president who will hopefully not be a Democrat.
  - wilg 3y ago
    Oh I really hope the next president is a Democrat since we're talking about it! Not a great EO, but Biden has done great so far.
    - lucubratory 3y ago
      I'm not an American and don't like either of your parties, but just wanted to say I respect the enthusiasm in immediately confronting someone violating social norms. It's people like you that keep communities alive.
  - soulofmischief 3y ago
    I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the GOP doesn't give a rat's ass about you or your rights, either. It's lip service from both parties, both stand to gain from regulatory capture.
- troupo 3y ago
  And ironically he will be part of the reason to support EU AI act that requires you document and test your foundational models: https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/the-truth-about-the-eu-act/ https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/the-truth-about-the-eu-ac...
- fastball 3y ago
  Why is that ironic? Musk is one of the most "scared of AI" billionaires you will find.
- silveraxe93 3y ago
  Is it really ironic if every time he touches AI it ends up causing the opposite of what he tried to do?
drstewart 3y ago
"Guardrails" But yes, you're right. We've seen how dangerous open systems can be. Hackers and scammers have shown us that we need guardrails against operating systems and the web, as you correctly point out. It's time for some legislation that locks the down so the unwashed masses don't have unfettered access to them, don't you agree?
- TaylorAlexander 3y ago
  I would much prefer you state directly what you believe than use this mocking facetious tone. It’s not really possible to engage with anything you’re saying because I’d have to guess at how to invert your insinuations. Anyway I think it’s fine for these systems to be available as open source, I’m not suggesting they be withheld from the public. But when you offer it as a cloud service people associate its output with your brand and I think this could end up harming Twitter’s brand.
- dbmikus 3y ago
  The case study of "no guardrails" already played out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot) Microsoft did not like what they got and shut it down because it ended up being a 4chan troll.
  - sterlind 3y ago
    Tay got that way because it was effectively fine-tuned by an overwhelming number of tweets from 4chan edgelords. that's a little more extreme than "no guardrails," it was de facto conditioned into being a neo-Nazi. a generic instruction-tuned LLM won't act like that.
    - dbmikus 3y ago
      The instruction-tuning is the guard rail. What other guard-rails is X AI removing? Just curious if I'm missing something.
      - 3y ago

soulofmischief 3y ago

Elon is ironically going to be a part of the reason that access to foundational models will be banned in the US in the wake of Biden's recent executive order.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago
I hope that does not happen but I do suspect this will backfire in some way. Hopefully it would ultimately be beneficial, demonstrating why handling these models with care is worthwhile.
mvelbaum 3y ago
That executive order is an affront to intelligence and must be cancelled ASAP by the next president who will hopefully not be a Democrat.
- wilg 3y ago
  Oh I really hope the next president is a Democrat since we're talking about it! Not a great EO, but Biden has done great so far.
  - lucubratory 3y ago
    I'm not an American and don't like either of your parties, but just wanted to say I respect the enthusiasm in immediately confronting someone violating social norms. It's people like you that keep communities alive.
- soulofmischief 3y ago
  I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the GOP doesn't give a rat's ass about you or your rights, either. It's lip service from both parties, both stand to gain from regulatory capture.
troupo 3y ago
And ironically he will be part of the reason to support EU AI act that requires you document and test your foundational models: https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/the-truth-about-the-eu-act/ https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/the-truth-about-the-eu-ac...
fastball 3y ago
Why is that ironic? Musk is one of the most "scared of AI" billionaires you will find.
silveraxe93 3y ago
Is it really ironic if every time he touches AI it ends up causing the opposite of what he tried to do?

drstewart 3y ago

"Guardrails" But yes, you're right. We've seen how dangerous open systems can be. Hackers and scammers have shown us that we need guardrails against operating systems and the web, as you correctly point out. It's time for some legislation that locks the down so the unwashed masses don't have unfettered access to them, don't you agree?

TaylorAlexander 3y ago
I would much prefer you state directly what you believe than use this mocking facetious tone. It’s not really possible to engage with anything you’re saying because I’d have to guess at how to invert your insinuations. Anyway I think it’s fine for these systems to be available as open source, I’m not suggesting they be withheld from the public. But when you offer it as a cloud service people associate its output with your brand and I think this could end up harming Twitter’s brand.
dbmikus 3y ago
The case study of "no guardrails" already played out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot) Microsoft did not like what they got and shut it down because it ended up being a 4chan troll.
- sterlind 3y ago
  Tay got that way because it was effectively fine-tuned by an overwhelming number of tweets from 4chan edgelords. that's a little more extreme than "no guardrails," it was de facto conditioned into being a neo-Nazi. a generic instruction-tuned LLM won't act like that.
  - dbmikus 3y ago
    The instruction-tuning is the guard rail. What other guard-rails is X AI removing? Just curious if I'm missing something.
    - 3y ago