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The issue they raise is that the switch causes problems. Ok great, lets have long evenings all year round. Winter is made even worse by having the sun go down b

The issue they raise is that the switch causes problems. Ok great, lets have long evenings all year round. Winter is made even worse by having the sun go down before you get home from work. On further reflection, it does make a lot of sense for the 'getting up/out zone' to be as stable as we can make it daylight-wise, with any benefits of extra sun-time to be added to the end of the day. So keep DST, and 'normal time' - thus and the switch. Meanwhile I'll hibernate until winter/'normal time' is over and I can go do stuff again without the sun giving up on me.

toast0 3y ago
> Ok great, lets have long evenings all year round. Winter is made even worse by having the sun go down before you get home from work. At this time of year, where I live, there's less than 10 hours of daylight. In December, it's less than 9 hours. You can f with the clock all you want, but winter is going to be dark. Probably dark when you head to work and dark when you get home. Conversely, in the summer, it's always bright. Again, it doesn't matter what the clock says, it's bright out not quite 16 hours a day, so bright when you go to bed and bright when you wake up. Changing the clocks doesn't help change the sun.
- Spivak 3y ago
  Yeah but in theory you still have 9-10 hours to play with which for a given locality can completely cover the typical span of human leisure time. Like it's ridiculous but you could make sunrise at 11am sunset at the earliest 8
sampo 3y ago
> The issue they raise is that the switch causes problems. The scientific position is that permanent standard time is the most healthy option. And that permanent daylight saving time might be even less healthy, than the current switching. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0748730419854197 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/07487304198541... More sources in these old comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30691158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30691158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30691237 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30691237
- stjohnswarts 3y ago
  I think I'd have to see a survey of health professionals (including mental health) in the context of selecting a permanent DST or ST before I'd say "the scientific position is..."
  - throw0101a 3y ago
    How about the American Medical Association: * https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-calls-permanent-standard-time https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-cal... And the American College of Chest Physicians, American Society for Metabolic and Bariatric Surgery, American Thoracic Society, etc: * https://www.labmanager.com/new-position-statement-supports-permanent-standard-time-31215 https://www.labmanager.com/new-position-statement-supports-p...
stjohnswarts 3y ago
at this point I don't care which one they pick (fingers crossed for DST) but for the love of Dog pick one and stick to it.

toast0 3y ago

> Ok great, lets have long evenings all year round. Winter is made even worse by having the sun go down before you get home from work. At this time of year, where I live, there's less than 10 hours of daylight. In December, it's less than 9 hours. You can f with the clock all you want, but winter is going to be dark. Probably dark when you head to work and dark when you get home. Conversely, in the summer, it's always bright. Again, it doesn't matter what the clock says, it's bright out not quite 16 hours a day, so bright when you go to bed and bright when you wake up. Changing the clocks doesn't help change the sun.

Spivak 3y ago
Yeah but in theory you still have 9-10 hours to play with which for a given locality can completely cover the typical span of human leisure time. Like it's ridiculous but you could make sunrise at 11am sunset at the earliest 8

sampo 3y ago

> The issue they raise is that the switch causes problems. The scientific position is that permanent standard time is the most healthy option. And that permanent daylight saving time might be even less healthy, than the current switching. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0748730419854197 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/07487304198541... More sources in these old comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30691158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30691158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30691237 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30691237

stjohnswarts 3y ago
I think I'd have to see a survey of health professionals (including mental health) in the context of selecting a permanent DST or ST before I'd say "the scientific position is..."
- throw0101a 3y ago
  How about the American Medical Association: * https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-calls-permanent-standard-time https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-cal... And the American College of Chest Physicians, American Society for Metabolic and Bariatric Surgery, American Thoracic Society, etc: * https://www.labmanager.com/new-position-statement-supports-permanent-standard-time-31215 https://www.labmanager.com/new-position-statement-supports-p...

stjohnswarts 3y ago

at this point I don't care which one they pick (fingers crossed for DST) but for the love of Dog pick one and stick to it.