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I read stuff like this and wonder if I'm the only one that never has more than 10 tabs open and rarely more than a single browser window. Can any tab fiends chi

I read stuff like this and wonder if I'm the only one that never has more than 10 tabs open and rarely more than a single browser window. Can any tab fiends chime in about your workflow?

Izkata 3y ago
I use them instead of bookmarks. Basically had two requirements to be reasonable: * Tree Style Tabs for automatic organization and collapsing into "folders" (links opened in a new tab become child tabs, the parent can be collapsed like a folder, to arbitrary depth) * Some sort of tab unloader/discarder, so memory usage stays reasonable. I only have like 10 or so root level tabs, the rest of the several hundred grew from there.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  >I use them instead of bookmarks. This. The hundreds of tabs I have open are bookmarks, I don't actually use them as tabs.
  - fassssst 3y ago
    But why?
    - evanjrowley 3y ago
      I'll try to articulate this as someone who usually has 500-1000 open tabs. Bookmarks are things that meet or surpass a certain threshold of usefulness. My open tabs probably include things that should be bookmarked, but all of that information needs to be screened for what's really worth saving. Clusters of tabs for various trains of thought take time to condense into purified bookmarks. In order for me to have less tabs open, I guess reality would need to become much more boring. Ironically, as I'm browsing the web, Google, Bing, Facebook, etc. are all maintaining various growing data structures about me that encapsulate key information, like what content is the most engaging for me, my social graph, or tracking the sites I visit most. People act like having 1000 tabs is a problem, but no one cares when Google's database gets it's 100,000th record for the data they're keeping on you. I wish that raw data could be shared with the respective users. It would be nice to know more about my digital self than the algorithms do. It's another facet of what makes these tech companies god-like.
      - bbor 3y ago
        So you don’t use bookmarks because bookmarks seem like they have to be perfectly named/organized? Why not just… not? I.e. a bookmark folder called “chaos”. Seems like it would instantly unlock a more natural UI for the same data, but maybe I’m missing something. Thanks for explaining what you already have, I’ve always been SO confused by people with hundreds of tabs. I hope I wasn’t the only one who read “people either use 3 tabs or 300” and thought that was insanely out of touch
        Izkata 3y ago
        > Why not just… not? I.e. a bookmark folder called “chaos”. Seems like it would instantly unlock a more natural UI for the same data, but maybe I’m missing something. Back to my comment that started this: That would be a flat list with no grouping and little to no context. Tree Style Tabs automatically organizes them by context. For example, one of my root tabs is Youtube. Immediate children include a few channels that upload a lot of videos so I don't subscribe to them (they'd drown out the ones that upload rarely) but want to keep up with them. Those then have child tabs for their videos I want to watch/listen to at some point, but haven't gotten to yet. I do the same on here, one of my root tabs is the Hacker News homepage. This one has a bunch of additional long-running tabs, interesting projects I want to try out myself, or reminders to try something out and maybe switch to it instead of whatever I'm currently using. Most of these have further subtabs as I've started exploring whatever it was but not yet finished with it. And yeah, you could do such groupings with bookmarks... but that's manual work. This is automatic.
        cole-k 3y ago
        I was reading some other replies that suggested using something to close all tabs and bookmark them automatically and I had the same reluctance as you do because I also group up my tabs. However, this makes me think: what if there was a tree-style-tab extension that let you convert a tree into a bookmark folder? Then I wouldn't feel bad at all about closing half or more of my tabs. This could be optionally combined with some sort of bookmark/page archiving service so you can be extra-sure that content will be waiting for you if you ever decide to look at it later.
    - cobertos 3y ago
      Tabs also store an implicit chronology and don't require organization other than the order/vague time they were "saved" and the related tree they were in (tree-style tabs). I also find the tab scrolling UI of a long list easier than manually waypointing stuff into folders and then trying to remember what, where, and other context of the saved items
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    Oh, that's really interesting. That use case wouldn't work for me because I want to be able to access my bookmarks from any browser on any machine -- so I use a bookmark server.
ksec 3y ago
On HN, I have once been to told to see a doctor or psychiatrist for having a few hundred tabs ( I am not making this shit up ). And it was from a pre 2013 Account. So may be you are the normal one. I mean a few years ago Firefox has telemetry to show vast 95% of people has less than 10 tabs opened. And then you have a long tail that goes from twenty to a few thousands. As a reply below i think most of us use it as research, come back later, short to medium term reading list. Like I am looking for a super thin wallet, currently Bellroy, but I dont like its flimsy structure. And then I have about 10 tabs next to those that are alternative. I haven't decided yet but that set of tabs are what my current unfinished wallet research status on. A bunch on HN Tabs that I waited for all the comments to settle before reading. etc. And if you have many unfinished task your tab number tends to increase a lot. And unlike old days where a single site would give in depth information on a topic, and you only need a few to make some informed decision, current web is basically very thin and light on everything.
- Given_47 3y ago
  > I have once been to told to see a doctor or psychiatrist for having a few hundred tabs Yea that's nothing, haha. I currently have 3592 open. Like you mention, research and tab hoarding go hand in hand. Even recreational research: everyone is familiar with the wikipedia spree with its innumerable hyperlinked articles and references, and now you suddenly have 20 additional open tabs. I'll read maybe two of them, but the others piqued my interest enough to warrant opening, so definitely not closing them. If you never purge, you eventually end up in the hundreds/thousands. My tabs get auto suspended when they've been idle for thirty mins, which prevents the memory usage from becoming ridiculous enough to incentivize me to change! Though I do need a better system, such as a tagging/categorization system for links. At least half my open tabs are things not of immediate relevance (duh), but HN posts/random blog posts on $NICHE_TOPIC that I'll (hopefully) get to eventually; eg building a DIY keyboard. Especially the blog posts, I can't be sure that I'll stumble upon them again. Sites like MakeUseOf can fuck off, they always float to the top of the SERP.
  - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
    Fascinating. I have a very internet-research heavy project (writing a nonfiction book), but how do you find a specific tab that you want to go back to. It seems like that would be harder than using bookmarks or simply re-navigating to the resource. Do you end up with a “feel” for where the tab is, similar to how we get used to the contours of our camera role on a smartphone?
13of40 3y ago
Simple: Events come in, like emails, chats, bug reports, etc. They have URLs in them. I click the URL, bringing another tab into the world. Half the time I forget to close the tab. Sometimes the browser windows breed when I drag two tabs out to view them side by side. Days later I realize I can't keep track anymore and I run a script that kills *edge*,*chrome*.
radlad 3y ago
For example, I load Hacker News, scan all the headlines and ctrl-click anything that looks interesting, plus the comments section. I use keyboard shortcuts to cycle through them. I might ctrl-click additional links in the article or comment section to browse through when I'm finished reading. If I'm interrupted, I'll open a new tab, or a new window if there's too many (I prefer 10 or less, since you can then use ctrl-# to jump between them.) Eventually, if I've given up on them, I'll close a bunch in one go. Or I'll just close a whole window because I haven't looked at in a while. Easy come, easy go.
wenc 3y ago
I open tons of tabs but they rarely stay open. I have a folder called "Daily" that I middle click each day -- they contain news sites (Google News/HN/Reddit etc.) From those I middle-click articles/comments I want to read, but my tab counts rarely exceed 20. I read those articles/comments, and I Cmd-W to close them. At the end of the day I end up with 0 tabs, and close the browser. Even when I'm in the middle of doing research, I open a ton of tabs, save the promising ones as bookmarks in a folder, and close the rest. I take my cue from that scene in Ratatouille where the chef says "keep your stations clear" [1]. I try not clutter my tab bar with irrelevant tabs so my attention is not divided. I've seen people who open 100s of tabs, and they do what I do except they never close tabs. To me that seems to be a sign of a cluttered mind, but it's the same kind of mind that is able to find objects in a messy room, so who am I to judge? Whatever works I guess. The risk of not closing/bookmarking tabs is that you're one Cmd-Q or system hang away from losing all your tabs. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgiK-HWKPjw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgiK-HWKPjw
- extra88 3y ago
  > I have a folder called "Daily" that I middle click each day -- they contain news sites (Google News/HN/Reddit etc.) From those I middle-click articles/comments I want to read That's what RSS is for.
  - wenc 3y ago
    Yes, I was a Google Reader user for a long time. When it shut down, I never went back to RSS.
cole-k 3y ago
Many tab user (~20-50?) reporting in. I guess I sort of get tab FOMO where I don't want to close a page because I haven't "used it up" yet. e.g. I've had a tab group for a while for buying new shoes. Really, most of these tabs should be bookmarks, but I'm just not bothered enough to change it (yet). Interspersed among the FOMO tabs are things I'm currently working on. These are strewn all over the place and I've observed two things about how I use them. First, when I try to prune work tabs I am always overzealous and I find myself reopening the same tabs over and over. Second, I'm sensitive to where tabs are located spatially and I'm able to frequently find my way back to oldish tabs. So basically, I'm saying "I have a system," but that is a flimsy defense and the real answer is probably "I'm not bothered enough to change."
- keepamovin 3y ago
  > I guess I sort of get tab FOMO where I don't want to close a page because I haven't "used it up" yet Ha! Like a tab succubus
- CodesInChaos 3y ago
  I can recommend the one-tab extension for people with tab-FOMO. It closes all tabs, but saves their urls (never to be looked at again).
sekh60 3y ago
I almost never have more than one browser window open and I think the most tabs I have ever had open was 7.
JohnFen 3y ago
You're not the only one. I very rarely have more than two or three.

I read stuff like this and wonder if I'm the only one that never has more than 10 tabs open and rarely more than a single browser window. Can any tab fiends chime in about your workflow?

Izkata 3y ago

I use them instead of bookmarks. Basically had two requirements to be reasonable: * Tree Style Tabs for automatic organization and collapsing into "folders" (links opened in a new tab become child tabs, the parent can be collapsed like a folder, to arbitrary depth) * Some sort of tab unloader/discarder, so memory usage stays reasonable. I only have like 10 or so root level tabs, the rest of the several hundred grew from there.

Dalewyn 3y ago
>I use them instead of bookmarks. This. The hundreds of tabs I have open are bookmarks, I don't actually use them as tabs.
- fassssst 3y ago
  But why?
  - evanjrowley 3y ago
    I'll try to articulate this as someone who usually has 500-1000 open tabs. Bookmarks are things that meet or surpass a certain threshold of usefulness. My open tabs probably include things that should be bookmarked, but all of that information needs to be screened for what's really worth saving. Clusters of tabs for various trains of thought take time to condense into purified bookmarks. In order for me to have less tabs open, I guess reality would need to become much more boring. Ironically, as I'm browsing the web, Google, Bing, Facebook, etc. are all maintaining various growing data structures about me that encapsulate key information, like what content is the most engaging for me, my social graph, or tracking the sites I visit most. People act like having 1000 tabs is a problem, but no one cares when Google's database gets it's 100,000th record for the data they're keeping on you. I wish that raw data could be shared with the respective users. It would be nice to know more about my digital self than the algorithms do. It's another facet of what makes these tech companies god-like.
    - bbor 3y ago
      So you don’t use bookmarks because bookmarks seem like they have to be perfectly named/organized? Why not just… not? I.e. a bookmark folder called “chaos”. Seems like it would instantly unlock a more natural UI for the same data, but maybe I’m missing something. Thanks for explaining what you already have, I’ve always been SO confused by people with hundreds of tabs. I hope I wasn’t the only one who read “people either use 3 tabs or 300” and thought that was insanely out of touch
      - Izkata 3y ago
        > Why not just… not? I.e. a bookmark folder called “chaos”. Seems like it would instantly unlock a more natural UI for the same data, but maybe I’m missing something. Back to my comment that started this: That would be a flat list with no grouping and little to no context. Tree Style Tabs automatically organizes them by context. For example, one of my root tabs is Youtube. Immediate children include a few channels that upload a lot of videos so I don't subscribe to them (they'd drown out the ones that upload rarely) but want to keep up with them. Those then have child tabs for their videos I want to watch/listen to at some point, but haven't gotten to yet. I do the same on here, one of my root tabs is the Hacker News homepage. This one has a bunch of additional long-running tabs, interesting projects I want to try out myself, or reminders to try something out and maybe switch to it instead of whatever I'm currently using. Most of these have further subtabs as I've started exploring whatever it was but not yet finished with it. And yeah, you could do such groupings with bookmarks... but that's manual work. This is automatic.
        cole-k 3y ago
        I was reading some other replies that suggested using something to close all tabs and bookmark them automatically and I had the same reluctance as you do because I also group up my tabs. However, this makes me think: what if there was a tree-style-tab extension that let you convert a tree into a bookmark folder? Then I wouldn't feel bad at all about closing half or more of my tabs. This could be optionally combined with some sort of bookmark/page archiving service so you can be extra-sure that content will be waiting for you if you ever decide to look at it later.
  - cobertos 3y ago
    Tabs also store an implicit chronology and don't require organization other than the order/vague time they were "saved" and the related tree they were in (tree-style tabs). I also find the tab scrolling UI of a long list easier than manually waypointing stuff into folders and then trying to remember what, where, and other context of the saved items
- JohnFen 3y ago
  Oh, that's really interesting. That use case wouldn't work for me because I want to be able to access my bookmarks from any browser on any machine -- so I use a bookmark server.

ksec 3y ago

On HN, I have once been to told to see a doctor or psychiatrist for having a few hundred tabs ( I am not making this shit up ). And it was from a pre 2013 Account. So may be you are the normal one. I mean a few years ago Firefox has telemetry to show vast 95% of people has less than 10 tabs opened. And then you have a long tail that goes from twenty to a few thousands. As a reply below i think most of us use it as research, come back later, short to medium term reading list. Like I am looking for a super thin wallet, currently Bellroy, but I dont like its flimsy structure. And then I have about 10 tabs next to those that are alternative. I haven't decided yet but that set of tabs are what my current unfinished wallet research status on. A bunch on HN Tabs that I waited for all the comments to settle before reading. etc. And if you have many unfinished task your tab number tends to increase a lot. And unlike old days where a single site would give in depth information on a topic, and you only need a few to make some informed decision, current web is basically very thin and light on everything.

Given_47 3y ago
> I have once been to told to see a doctor or psychiatrist for having a few hundred tabs Yea that's nothing, haha. I currently have 3592 open. Like you mention, research and tab hoarding go hand in hand. Even recreational research: everyone is familiar with the wikipedia spree with its innumerable hyperlinked articles and references, and now you suddenly have 20 additional open tabs. I'll read maybe two of them, but the others piqued my interest enough to warrant opening, so definitely not closing them. If you never purge, you eventually end up in the hundreds/thousands. My tabs get auto suspended when they've been idle for thirty mins, which prevents the memory usage from becoming ridiculous enough to incentivize me to change! Though I do need a better system, such as a tagging/categorization system for links. At least half my open tabs are things not of immediate relevance (duh), but HN posts/random blog posts on $NICHE_TOPIC that I'll (hopefully) get to eventually; eg building a DIY keyboard. Especially the blog posts, I can't be sure that I'll stumble upon them again. Sites like MakeUseOf can fuck off, they always float to the top of the SERP.
- DiggyJohnson 3y ago
  Fascinating. I have a very internet-research heavy project (writing a nonfiction book), but how do you find a specific tab that you want to go back to. It seems like that would be harder than using bookmarks or simply re-navigating to the resource. Do you end up with a “feel” for where the tab is, similar to how we get used to the contours of our camera role on a smartphone?

13of40 3y ago

Simple: Events come in, like emails, chats, bug reports, etc. They have URLs in them. I click the URL, bringing another tab into the world. Half the time I forget to close the tab. Sometimes the browser windows breed when I drag two tabs out to view them side by side. Days later I realize I can't keep track anymore and I run a script that kills *edge*,*chrome*.

radlad 3y ago

For example, I load Hacker News, scan all the headlines and ctrl-click anything that looks interesting, plus the comments section. I use keyboard shortcuts to cycle through them. I might ctrl-click additional links in the article or comment section to browse through when I'm finished reading. If I'm interrupted, I'll open a new tab, or a new window if there's too many (I prefer 10 or less, since you can then use ctrl-# to jump between them.) Eventually, if I've given up on them, I'll close a bunch in one go. Or I'll just close a whole window because I haven't looked at in a while. Easy come, easy go.

wenc 3y ago

I open tons of tabs but they rarely stay open. I have a folder called "Daily" that I middle click each day -- they contain news sites (Google News/HN/Reddit etc.) From those I middle-click articles/comments I want to read, but my tab counts rarely exceed 20. I read those articles/comments, and I Cmd-W to close them. At the end of the day I end up with 0 tabs, and close the browser. Even when I'm in the middle of doing research, I open a ton of tabs, save the promising ones as bookmarks in a folder, and close the rest. I take my cue from that scene in Ratatouille where the chef says "keep your stations clear" [1]. I try not clutter my tab bar with irrelevant tabs so my attention is not divided. I've seen people who open 100s of tabs, and they do what I do except they never close tabs. To me that seems to be a sign of a cluttered mind, but it's the same kind of mind that is able to find objects in a messy room, so who am I to judge? Whatever works I guess. The risk of not closing/bookmarking tabs is that you're one Cmd-Q or system hang away from losing all your tabs. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgiK-HWKPjw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgiK-HWKPjw

extra88 3y ago
> I have a folder called "Daily" that I middle click each day -- they contain news sites (Google News/HN/Reddit etc.) From those I middle-click articles/comments I want to read That's what RSS is for.
- wenc 3y ago
  Yes, I was a Google Reader user for a long time. When it shut down, I never went back to RSS.

cole-k 3y ago

Many tab user (~20-50?) reporting in. I guess I sort of get tab FOMO where I don't want to close a page because I haven't "used it up" yet. e.g. I've had a tab group for a while for buying new shoes. Really, most of these tabs should be bookmarks, but I'm just not bothered enough to change it (yet). Interspersed among the FOMO tabs are things I'm currently working on. These are strewn all over the place and I've observed two things about how I use them. First, when I try to prune work tabs I am always overzealous and I find myself reopening the same tabs over and over. Second, I'm sensitive to where tabs are located spatially and I'm able to frequently find my way back to oldish tabs. So basically, I'm saying "I have a system," but that is a flimsy defense and the real answer is probably "I'm not bothered enough to change."

keepamovin 3y ago
> I guess I sort of get tab FOMO where I don't want to close a page because I haven't "used it up" yet Ha! Like a tab succubus
CodesInChaos 3y ago
I can recommend the one-tab extension for people with tab-FOMO. It closes all tabs, but saves their urls (never to be looked at again).

sekh60 3y ago

I almost never have more than one browser window open and I think the most tabs I have ever had open was 7.

JohnFen 3y ago

You're not the only one. I very rarely have more than two or three.