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Very nicely done by the author! Great read! Slightly OT: What is currently the best self driving product the market has to offer? And what is it capable of?

_ea1k 3y ago
If you mean real self driving, I'd guess Waymo. I haven't ridden it, but the reports sound much better for it than the others. Possibly mobileye, but I've only seen company produced videos. If you mean customer purchasable products, they all have various pros and cons. Out of spec motoring does a pretty good test called the "hogback challenge". GM SuperCruise tends to do well there, but there are lots of others that do well too.
- wilg 3y ago
  I think your analysis is right. I also would say Tesla FSD beta is clearly the winner of customer purchasable products. It's worth pointing out that Waymo and Cruise very often fall back to remote operators when the car gets confused. This is no problem if you're evaluating how successful they'll be at operating a taxi service, but makes it more difficult to compare to consumer systems that do not work that way.
  - _ea1k 3y ago
    FSD Beta definitely has the most capability. But that also means that it requires the most hand-holding (literally, since it isn't hands free). Super Cruise and Blue Cruise have the benefit of offering hands off on the highway, but also can't do all the fancy city streets stuff that FSD Beta can. It really just depends on what you want, IMO.
mensetmanusman 3y ago
Self driving rides at Disney.
intangible 3y ago
I think Mercedes is the only company willing to take liability for their self-driving features. https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/27/23892154/mercedes-benz-drive-pilot-autonomous-level-3-test https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/27/23892154/mercedes-benz-dr... If your Tesla crashes while using FSD, it's completely your fault, according to them.
- wilg 3y ago
  The difference is Tesla says you have to pay attention and enforces this, but it can attempt to drive on any street, make turns and lane changes, and navigate to your destination. Whereas Mercedes has a much, much simpler system that only works in a straight line going less than 40mph on certain freeways (so only in traffic).
- gnicholas 3y ago
  Isn't this just for relatively low-speed driving, on freeways? IIRC it was limited to under 40 MPH, but on roads described in a way that it sounded like only freeways would qualify. I think there are lots of cars that can drive well under those conditions, though others won't assume the liability.
toast0 3y ago
Towncar service. Comes with car and driver, you don't have to worry about the details, just be ready to pay.

_ea1k 3y ago

If you mean real self driving, I'd guess Waymo. I haven't ridden it, but the reports sound much better for it than the others. Possibly mobileye, but I've only seen company produced videos. If you mean customer purchasable products, they all have various pros and cons. Out of spec motoring does a pretty good test called the "hogback challenge". GM SuperCruise tends to do well there, but there are lots of others that do well too.

wilg 3y ago
I think your analysis is right. I also would say Tesla FSD beta is clearly the winner of customer purchasable products. It's worth pointing out that Waymo and Cruise very often fall back to remote operators when the car gets confused. This is no problem if you're evaluating how successful they'll be at operating a taxi service, but makes it more difficult to compare to consumer systems that do not work that way.
- _ea1k 3y ago
  FSD Beta definitely has the most capability. But that also means that it requires the most hand-holding (literally, since it isn't hands free). Super Cruise and Blue Cruise have the benefit of offering hands off on the highway, but also can't do all the fancy city streets stuff that FSD Beta can. It really just depends on what you want, IMO.

mensetmanusman 3y ago

Self driving rides at Disney.

intangible 3y ago

I think Mercedes is the only company willing to take liability for their self-driving features. https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/27/23892154/mercedes-benz-drive-pilot-autonomous-level-3-test https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/27/23892154/mercedes-benz-dr... If your Tesla crashes while using FSD, it's completely your fault, according to them.

wilg 3y ago
The difference is Tesla says you have to pay attention and enforces this, but it can attempt to drive on any street, make turns and lane changes, and navigate to your destination. Whereas Mercedes has a much, much simpler system that only works in a straight line going less than 40mph on certain freeways (so only in traffic).
gnicholas 3y ago
Isn't this just for relatively low-speed driving, on freeways? IIRC it was limited to under 40 MPH, but on roads described in a way that it sounded like only freeways would qualify. I think there are lots of cars that can drive well under those conditions, though others won't assume the liability.

toast0 3y ago

Towncar service. Comes with car and driver, you don't have to worry about the details, just be ready to pay.