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Are you really advocating that dock workers should have complete control over all foreign trade?

dangus 3y ago
Why should workers be denied the right to use their leverage when we governments and corporations always have the full ability to use theirs? Workers use leverage and they get condemned. Companies and governments do it and they get praised for being paternal protectors. If the suits who run the show don’t know how to unload a container ship that’s their problem.
- schmookeeg 3y ago
  I don't know how to answer your question without knowing who built the port.
  - whoknowsidont 3y ago
    Presumably the construction workers.
- dantheman 3y ago
  What are your thoughts on net neutrality? and how does that differ from a port? Should the ISP decide what they will carry or not?
  - zecg 3y ago
    ISPs block domains and address ranges connected to malware and spam all the time.
Nullabillity 3y ago
Are you really advocating that CEOs should have complete control over all trade? No individual dockworker has "complete control", and the union only has the control its members collectively consent to.
lelandbatey 3y ago
If they're responsible for handling all of it, pretending that they're not already "in complete control" is disingenuous. Also, business owners routinely pull the exact reverse, where they withhold or alter their services to extort other participants of the system to give them what they want. Why is it "good business" when the CEO does it but it's "crime" when the workers on the ground do it? Probably, cause it threatens many peoples fantasy that they can be powerful, rich, and in control of the labor one day if they play their cards right.
CPLX 3y ago
This question is nonsensical. Should pilots have complete control over all planes in the air?
Lowell20 3y ago
Are you really adovacting that a foreign CEo should rule the local laws. Their country, threir rules or he can leave. I am stronly pro unions as in Sweden, beacuse I worked there, and have seen it. They are not like the US unions. Around 70% of people in Sweden are members of unions for $15/month. Sweden Tesla worker salary is 4k/month, with full health insurance, free kindergarten, free school, free college. In case they get ill, workers get 2 years of 80% salary, and rehabilitation. While you have at will contrracts in the US, unions in Sweden have ensured 3 months notice. Unions also negotiate minumum annual raise and gives you annual raise at least equal to inflation. Unemployment insurance is handled by unions, you must be a member - 1 year of 80% salary and additional year. If needed, new training is obtained for free. Without a union agreement, Musk workers are slaves. No serious brand operates without unions.
dontlaugh 3y ago
The workers of a country should definitely have complete control over all foreign trade. Solidarity strikes organised nationally across unions are just one of such mechanisms.

Why should workers be denied the right to use their leverage when we governments and corporations always have the full ability to use theirs? Workers use leverage and they get condemned. Companies and governments do it and they get praised for being paternal protectors. If the suits who run the show don’t know how to unload a container ship that’s their problem.

schmookeeg 3y ago
I don't know how to answer your question without knowing who built the port.
- whoknowsidont 3y ago
  Presumably the construction workers.
dantheman 3y ago
What are your thoughts on net neutrality? and how does that differ from a port? Should the ISP decide what they will carry or not?
- zecg 3y ago
  ISPs block domains and address ranges connected to malware and spam all the time.

Nullabillity 3y ago

Are you really advocating that CEOs should have complete control over all trade? No individual dockworker has "complete control", and the union only has the control its members collectively consent to.

lelandbatey 3y ago

If they're responsible for handling all of it, pretending that they're not already "in complete control" is disingenuous. Also, business owners routinely pull the exact reverse, where they withhold or alter their services to extort other participants of the system to give them what they want. Why is it "good business" when the CEO does it but it's "crime" when the workers on the ground do it? Probably, cause it threatens many peoples fantasy that they can be powerful, rich, and in control of the labor one day if they play their cards right.

CPLX 3y ago

This question is nonsensical. Should pilots have complete control over all planes in the air?

Lowell20 3y ago

Are you really adovacting that a foreign CEo should rule the local laws. Their country, threir rules or he can leave. I am stronly pro unions as in Sweden, beacuse I worked there, and have seen it. They are not like the US unions. Around 70% of people in Sweden are members of unions for $15/month. Sweden Tesla worker salary is 4k/month, with full health insurance, free kindergarten, free school, free college. In case they get ill, workers get 2 years of 80% salary, and rehabilitation. While you have at will contrracts in the US, unions in Sweden have ensured 3 months notice. Unions also negotiate minumum annual raise and gives you annual raise at least equal to inflation. Unemployment insurance is handled by unions, you must be a member - 1 year of 80% salary and additional year. If needed, new training is obtained for free. Without a union agreement, Musk workers are slaves. No serious brand operates without unions.

dontlaugh 3y ago

The workers of a country should definitely have complete control over all foreign trade. Solidarity strikes organised nationally across unions are just one of such mechanisms.