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> Upstanding folks in that union, I tell ya what. Indeed, they’ve guaranteed safety and prosperity for their members in Sweden for decades. Meanwhile in the US

> Upstanding folks in that union, I tell ya what. Indeed, they’ve guaranteed safety and prosperity for their members in Sweden for decades. Meanwhile in the US, Tesla workers have one of highest rates of injury among autoworker and the company is facing class action lawsuits and state investigations for alleged racist abuse of black workers. https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/24/15681472/tesla-model-3-electric-car-factory-injury-rate-worker-safety# https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/24/15681472/tesla-model-3-el... https://apnews.com/article/tesla-racism-black-lawsuit-class-action-21c88bddf60eca702560be58429495de https://apnews.com/article/tesla-racism-black-lawsuit-class-...

bryanlarsen 3y ago
In 2020-2022 the workplace injury rate in Tesla's Fremont factory was well below industry average.
- bugglebeetle 3y ago
  Totally believable. They’re not at all underreporting workplace injuries. Oh wait, except they also got investigated by the state of California for that too: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-03-06/tesla-left-injuries-out-of-reports-california-safety-regulator-says https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-03-06/tesla-left... https://revealnews.org/article/tesla-says-its-factory-is-safer-but-it-left-injuries-off-the-books/ https://revealnews.org/article/tesla-says-its-factory-is-saf...
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    Tesla's the biggest target for many journalists, the records are available via FOIA requests, and it's an obvious follow-up given the earlier stories. Tesla makes their workplace safety statements in annual reports, so proving a falsification of those reports is securities fraud and a big deal. So if Tesla is lying, look it up via FOIA, file a whistleblower report with the SEC and cash in.
    - Apocryphon 3y ago
      Didn’t that actually happen https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/12/tesla-whistleblowers-filed-complaint-to-sec-in-2021-what-it-said.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/12/tesla-whistleblowers-filed-c...
  - fallingknife 3y ago
    Two articles that are 3 and 5 years old about an investigation? That's your evidence? Sounds like it went nowhere because if it did you would have posted that.
    - bugglebeetle 3y ago
      They’re currently under investigation in Germany for high levels of workplace injuries as well, so their disregard for safety has gone international!
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    Translation: "The great thing is, no matter what they do, I'll find a way to condemn them for it."
- tremon 3y ago
  Below the US average or below the Swedish average?
  - wilg 3y ago
    I tried for a while but I could not find an apples-to-apples comparison of tesla fremont factory, sweden autoworkers, us autoworkers.
  - Lowell20 3y ago
    Around 70% of people in Sweden are members of Unions for $15/month. Sweden salary is 4k/month, with full health insurance, free school for the kids, free college. In case they get ill, workers get 2 years of 80% salary. While you have at will contrracts in the US, unions in Sweden have ensured 3 months notice. Unions also negotiate minumum annual raise and gives you annual raise at least equal to inflation. Unemployment insurance is handled by unions, you must be a member - 1 year of 80% salary and additional year. If needed, new training is obtained for free. Without a union agreement, Musk workers are slaves. No serious brand operates without unions.
    - dantheman 3y ago
      Slaves?
      - Lowell20 3y ago
        yes, more or less slavery. modern slavery looks like that. underpaid. no rights. no pensions. no injury insurance. no right to. sounds like an average american factory worker. swedes don't want that. educate yourself. there are 50 million people living in modern slavery today. and yes they are white too. however, the largest slaveholder in the world in India. https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/ https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/
    - bannable 3y ago
      Did you reply to the wrong comment? This doesn't answer anything about the average the OP asked about.

bryanlarsen 3y ago

In 2020-2022 the workplace injury rate in Tesla's Fremont factory was well below industry average.

bugglebeetle 3y ago
Totally believable. They’re not at all underreporting workplace injuries. Oh wait, except they also got investigated by the state of California for that too: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-03-06/tesla-left-injuries-out-of-reports-california-safety-regulator-says https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-03-06/tesla-left... https://revealnews.org/article/tesla-says-its-factory-is-safer-but-it-left-injuries-off-the-books/ https://revealnews.org/article/tesla-says-its-factory-is-saf...
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  Tesla's the biggest target for many journalists, the records are available via FOIA requests, and it's an obvious follow-up given the earlier stories. Tesla makes their workplace safety statements in annual reports, so proving a falsification of those reports is securities fraud and a big deal. So if Tesla is lying, look it up via FOIA, file a whistleblower report with the SEC and cash in.
  - Apocryphon 3y ago
    Didn’t that actually happen https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/12/tesla-whistleblowers-filed-complaint-to-sec-in-2021-what-it-said.html https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/12/tesla-whistleblowers-filed-c...
- fallingknife 3y ago
  Two articles that are 3 and 5 years old about an investigation? That's your evidence? Sounds like it went nowhere because if it did you would have posted that.
  - bugglebeetle 3y ago
    They’re currently under investigation in Germany for high levels of workplace injuries as well, so their disregard for safety has gone international!
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  Translation: "The great thing is, no matter what they do, I'll find a way to condemn them for it."
tremon 3y ago
Below the US average or below the Swedish average?
- wilg 3y ago
  I tried for a while but I could not find an apples-to-apples comparison of tesla fremont factory, sweden autoworkers, us autoworkers.
- Lowell20 3y ago
  Around 70% of people in Sweden are members of Unions for $15/month. Sweden salary is 4k/month, with full health insurance, free school for the kids, free college. In case they get ill, workers get 2 years of 80% salary. While you have at will contrracts in the US, unions in Sweden have ensured 3 months notice. Unions also negotiate minumum annual raise and gives you annual raise at least equal to inflation. Unemployment insurance is handled by unions, you must be a member - 1 year of 80% salary and additional year. If needed, new training is obtained for free. Without a union agreement, Musk workers are slaves. No serious brand operates without unions.
  - dantheman 3y ago
    Slaves?
    - Lowell20 3y ago
      yes, more or less slavery. modern slavery looks like that. underpaid. no rights. no pensions. no injury insurance. no right to. sounds like an average american factory worker. swedes don't want that. educate yourself. there are 50 million people living in modern slavery today. and yes they are white too. however, the largest slaveholder in the world in India. https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/ https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/
  - bannable 3y ago
    Did you reply to the wrong comment? This doesn't answer anything about the average the OP asked about.