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I don't mind paying for services. I mind paying to get the privilege my data exploited. I mind paying to a company that use its infinite bags of money to outs

I don't mind paying for services. I mind paying to get the privilege my data exploited. I mind paying to a company that use its infinite bags of money to outspend any competition unfairly. I mind paying after getting blackmailed to accept a new deal when they made sure they left no other choice in the market. I mind paying for a service that is optimized for "engagement" instead of my own well-being. I mind paying to a company that doesn't know the time to stop growing and wants to crawl into every aspect of my life.

BiteCode_dev 3y ago
+1 And I mind that paying forces me to give my credit card to a companies that have proven to work against me. I mind that google will take over my entire phone if I connect to any service with a google account because I paid for it and not just login to that single service. I mind that it will collect all that data if I don't have an adblocker anyway, just not show me ad, and then give it to gov entities (see PRISM). What I don't mind is paying. I pay for spotify, for neflix, for dynalist, for kagi, for chatgpt, for codepilot, for github... But I do mind that many people like you on HN accuses us of being dishonest.
spuz 3y ago
> I mind paying for a service that is optimized for "engagement" instead of my own well-being. > I mind paying to a company that doesn't know the time to stop growing and wants to crawl into every aspect of my life. It's worth recognising that as an ad-supported service, YouTube has an incentive to maximise the watch-time of its users and that this incentive goes away when a user starts paying monthly. But until they begin to earn more from subscriptions than ads I can't see how this changes. Maybe there's a universe in which the adblock crackdown actually accelerates the decline in ad-viewership and YouTube becomes incentivised to stop cramming cheap ad-friendly content down our throats and becomes a platform for actual high-quality content. For now, it's probably better to support platforms that actually already work on this model such as Nebula.

BiteCode_dev 3y ago

+1 And I mind that paying forces me to give my credit card to a companies that have proven to work against me. I mind that google will take over my entire phone if I connect to any service with a google account because I paid for it and not just login to that single service. I mind that it will collect all that data if I don't have an adblocker anyway, just not show me ad, and then give it to gov entities (see PRISM). What I don't mind is paying. I pay for spotify, for neflix, for dynalist, for kagi, for chatgpt, for codepilot, for github... But I do mind that many people like you on HN accuses us of being dishonest.

spuz 3y ago

> I mind paying for a service that is optimized for "engagement" instead of my own well-being. > I mind paying to a company that doesn't know the time to stop growing and wants to crawl into every aspect of my life. It's worth recognising that as an ad-supported service, YouTube has an incentive to maximise the watch-time of its users and that this incentive goes away when a user starts paying monthly. But until they begin to earn more from subscriptions than ads I can't see how this changes. Maybe there's a universe in which the adblock crackdown actually accelerates the decline in ad-viewership and YouTube becomes incentivised to stop cramming cheap ad-friendly content down our throats and becomes a platform for actual high-quality content. For now, it's probably better to support platforms that actually already work on this model such as Nebula.