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> they might be better than the current place? I think you are agreeing with me. People leave communities when they are not prospering within them.

ethanbond 3y ago
> Only recently have we stopped because, frankly, there is no place to go This is what I was disputing. We haven’t stopped, and to the extent that we have, it’s not because there’s no place to go.
- beedeebeedee 3y ago
  Yeah, I think I'd mostly agree with you then. I think we are not moving around as much as we used to, and to many people, it feels as if we cannot move; either because we lack the funds to survive there if we do, or because it will just be more of the same. That is obviously a biased view on my part, because there are migrants moving from "developing" countries to the US and EU all the time- clearly, they believe they have some place to go that will be better. My agenda in replying to the original comment is that this desire to move is not abnormal. It is as much a part of human history as building community is. I wanted to point that out, because I am familiar with many well-intentioned and well-off people not understanding (and even feeling contempt) for people who wish to leave their community. If you are not happy, and not prospering within a community, why would you want to stay? I don't know if understanding the roots of that dissatisfaction will help us achieve a kinder gentler society, but at least it might help them no longer refer to those people as loners or losers (and have a little empathy and understanding).
  - Kye 3y ago
    They often find a support network in the diaspora that preceded them. If you move within your own country without any friends or family in the destination, everyone there mainly has experience with people like you who are already established.

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> they might be better than the current place? I think you are agreeing with me. People leave communities when they are not prospering within them.

by beedeebeedee 3y ago

ethanbond 3y ago
> Only recently have we stopped because, frankly, there is no place to go This is what I was disputing. We haven’t stopped, and to the extent that we have, it’s not because there’s no place to go.
- beedeebeedee 3y ago
  Yeah, I think I'd mostly agree with you then. I think we are not moving around as much as we used to, and to many people, it feels as if we cannot move; either because we lack the funds to survive there if we do, or because it will just be more of the same. That is obviously a biased view on my part, because there are migrants moving from "developing" countries to the US and EU all the time- clearly, they believe they have some place to go that will be better. My agenda in replying to the original comment is that this desire to move is not abnormal. It is as much a part of human history as building community is. I wanted to point that out, because I am familiar with many well-intentioned and well-off people not understanding (and even feeling contempt) for people who wish to leave their community. If you are not happy, and not prospering within a community, why would you want to stay? I don't know if understanding the roots of that dissatisfaction will help us achieve a kinder gentler society, but at least it might help them no longer refer to those people as loners or losers (and have a little empathy and understanding).
  - Kye 3y ago
    They often find a support network in the diaspora that preceded them. If you move within your own country without any friends or family in the destination, everyone there mainly has experience with people like you who are already established.