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I don't know why apple can't just make an exception for Mozilla and call it a day.

by thevagrant 3y ago

fyokdrigd 3y ago
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- szundi 3y ago
  Not having 200 solutions for the same problem has its benefits as well. By the way I think the so-called freedom on Android stumps more on its users via its privacy sucking
  - wtp1saac 3y ago
    this is the false choice we get presented by these evil companies: we have a duopoly where you choose between surveillance but having control (Android), or having no control but no surveillance (Apple). Both are horrible in their own right, but there’s no open alternative that’s viable for mobile at the moment. For my part, I bought a Linux phone recently. Hopefully at some point I can find the chance to find places to contribute and make some contributions, although first impressions are… unideal. I would’ve hoped it would move past Android 2.x era performance - but then again it’s in need of people to contribute and improve it, so I oughta do that. As should others interested in carving out a better mobile option!
    - marak830 3y ago
      Hey OT, what did you get and how is it working for you? I'm keen to move but life has been insane and I just don't.have.time
      - wtp1saac 3y ago
        Pinephone Pro. Absolutely not usable for everyday use as far as I can tell - missing camera support, constant app crashes and hangups, web browsing is a decent but hacky version of Firefox with drawbacks associated to that, inputs are not consistent, and overall performance is shockingly poor and inconsistent. However, some good notes - the Phosh/GNOME interface is nice, hardware privacy switches are included on the device, and there’s a particular joy in seeing a terminal up and running and realizing you’ve got a full desktop OS on a slab :) it definitely needs work, but it is exciting.
        marak830 3y ago
        Thanks, I'll keep an eye and hopefully.
    - RunSet 3y ago
      > no surveillance (Apple). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identifier_for_Advertisers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identifier_for_Advertisers
      - wtp1saac 3y ago
        yeah, I should say less. you can thankfully opt out of it - and I do - but it’s pure enshittification and with the premiums Apple charges, the fact that they layer in ANY kinds of advertisements and related tracking mechanisms is an insult to customers.
  - Novosell 3y ago
    The freedom and bad privacy are not related though.
  - marak830 3y ago
    Yes let's have one solution that has to be their way. Awesome /s Look I get it, you guys like that. The rest of us like options. No singular option is perfect, lete choose what works for me.
xorcist 3y ago
It used to be that all scripting engines were off limits, because you could easily write a commercial app that didn't give Apple 30% of all revenue. And Firefox is pretty obviously a big scripting platform which you can do anything with. But since then they've made so many exceptions to that policy, where the applications are important to keep people in the Apple ecosystem, that it's hardly a strict rule anymore. So while they probably could make yet another exception, they probably feel a general purpose browser such as Firefox would risk being the last exception they make.
lakpan 3y ago
Once you make an exception, you bet Google will want an exception too.

I don't know why apple can't just make an exception for Mozilla and call it a day.

fyokdrigd 3y ago

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szundi 3y ago
Not having 200 solutions for the same problem has its benefits as well. By the way I think the so-called freedom on Android stumps more on its users via its privacy sucking
- wtp1saac 3y ago
  this is the false choice we get presented by these evil companies: we have a duopoly where you choose between surveillance but having control (Android), or having no control but no surveillance (Apple). Both are horrible in their own right, but there’s no open alternative that’s viable for mobile at the moment. For my part, I bought a Linux phone recently. Hopefully at some point I can find the chance to find places to contribute and make some contributions, although first impressions are… unideal. I would’ve hoped it would move past Android 2.x era performance - but then again it’s in need of people to contribute and improve it, so I oughta do that. As should others interested in carving out a better mobile option!
  - marak830 3y ago
    Hey OT, what did you get and how is it working for you? I'm keen to move but life has been insane and I just don't.have.time
    - wtp1saac 3y ago
      Pinephone Pro. Absolutely not usable for everyday use as far as I can tell - missing camera support, constant app crashes and hangups, web browsing is a decent but hacky version of Firefox with drawbacks associated to that, inputs are not consistent, and overall performance is shockingly poor and inconsistent. However, some good notes - the Phosh/GNOME interface is nice, hardware privacy switches are included on the device, and there’s a particular joy in seeing a terminal up and running and realizing you’ve got a full desktop OS on a slab :) it definitely needs work, but it is exciting.
      - marak830 3y ago
        Thanks, I'll keep an eye and hopefully.
  - RunSet 3y ago
    > no surveillance (Apple). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identifier_for_Advertisers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identifier_for_Advertisers
    - wtp1saac 3y ago
      yeah, I should say less. you can thankfully opt out of it - and I do - but it’s pure enshittification and with the premiums Apple charges, the fact that they layer in ANY kinds of advertisements and related tracking mechanisms is an insult to customers.
- Novosell 3y ago
  The freedom and bad privacy are not related though.
- marak830 3y ago
  Yes let's have one solution that has to be their way. Awesome /s Look I get it, you guys like that. The rest of us like options. No singular option is perfect, lete choose what works for me.

xorcist 3y ago

It used to be that all scripting engines were off limits, because you could easily write a commercial app that didn't give Apple 30% of all revenue. And Firefox is pretty obviously a big scripting platform which you can do anything with. But since then they've made so many exceptions to that policy, where the applications are important to keep people in the Apple ecosystem, that it's hardly a strict rule anymore. So while they probably could make yet another exception, they probably feel a general purpose browser such as Firefox would risk being the last exception they make.

lakpan 3y ago

Once you make an exception, you bet Google will want an exception too.