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HN: Sustaining yourself with ads is a dying business model! also HN: Of course I won't pay any money, how dare you! Go ahead, try and make it into this crusad

HN: Sustaining yourself with ads is a dying business model! also HN: Of course I won't pay any money, how dare you! Go ahead, try and make it into this crusade to make the internet better. At the end of the day, you're justifying taking money from creators instead of paying (with ads or premium). You make software dev money, grow up.

kobalsky 3y ago
did you just build an imaginary opponent that you could strike down? I use HN and I pay for YT premium so at least part of your assumptions are wrong
- RockRobotRock 3y ago
  I decided to make my own top level comment instead of arguing with 10 people individually. But you’re right, it was hyperbole.
mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
I prefer to redistribute the savings I get from ad-blocking(vs premium -Youtube is completely unusable with ads) to smaller creators via patreon. I honestly couldn't care less about the huge youtubers. They're usually quite diversified and tend to also have a good chunk of die hard fans that practically shove money down their throats. They also get paid a lot more for sponsorships. They'll be fine. Smaller creators really need the little ad revenue they get. And they have to work really hard for it too. So I actually do feel bad about blocking ads in those cases, and whenever possible I find other ways to send them some money.
stubish 3y ago
You forgot 'modern advertising is non-consensual psychological manipulation and should be illegal'. Maybe if we decided to not allow our minds to be polluted for other's profit, the business model would collapse and allow a better one to replace it. One that actually rewarded creators rather than offer a minority table scraps.
- RockRobotRock 3y ago
  Okay you’re still just justifying not paying for something though. If you pay for Premium, you’re not subjected to ads and the creators get paid.
  - rcMgD2BwE72F 3y ago
    Is Youtube still collecting data to refine Premium users marketing profile and use that data on other Google properties?

kobalsky 3y ago

did you just build an imaginary opponent that you could strike down? I use HN and I pay for YT premium so at least part of your assumptions are wrong

RockRobotRock 3y ago
I decided to make my own top level comment instead of arguing with 10 people individually. But you’re right, it was hyperbole.

mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago

I prefer to redistribute the savings I get from ad-blocking(vs premium -Youtube is completely unusable with ads) to smaller creators via patreon. I honestly couldn't care less about the huge youtubers. They're usually quite diversified and tend to also have a good chunk of die hard fans that practically shove money down their throats. They also get paid a lot more for sponsorships. They'll be fine. Smaller creators really need the little ad revenue they get. And they have to work really hard for it too. So I actually do feel bad about blocking ads in those cases, and whenever possible I find other ways to send them some money.

stubish 3y ago

You forgot 'modern advertising is non-consensual psychological manipulation and should be illegal'. Maybe if we decided to not allow our minds to be polluted for other's profit, the business model would collapse and allow a better one to replace it. One that actually rewarded creators rather than offer a minority table scraps.

RockRobotRock 3y ago
Okay you’re still just justifying not paying for something though. If you pay for Premium, you’re not subjected to ads and the creators get paid.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 3y ago
  Is Youtube still collecting data to refine Premium users marketing profile and use that data on other Google properties?