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Because France already has a ton of installed nuclear capacity and Germany stupidly got rid of it. But as alternatives get better and better it makes less sense

Because France already has a ton of installed nuclear capacity and Germany stupidly got rid of it. But as alternatives get better and better it makes less sense to start a 20 year process to install new nuclear.

lm28469 3y ago
Call me when Germany's electricity is clean and cheap then, I bet we'll be in the same place in 25 years, in the meantime it's reality VS sci-fi, and so far reality is harsh
- natmaka 3y ago
  In France fossil fuels produce ~65% of final energy, and the project aiming at building the first instance of a series of reactors (EPR) planned in 2004 is a failure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_(nuclear_reactor)#Flamanville_3_%28France%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_(nuclear_reactor)#Flamanvi... Germany generates more and more clean electricity while not loosing too much of its industrial sector, with a higher GDP and while getting rid of its nuclear: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/low-carbon-electricity?tab=chart&time=2000..latest&country=DEU~FRA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/low-carbon-electricity?ta... France emits less partly thanks to the dramatic reduction of its industrial sector: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-co2-embedded-in-trade?tab=chart&region=Europe&country=FRA~DEU https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-co2-embedded-in-tra... The net difference between France and Germany isn't as high as sometimes claimed: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?tab=chart&time=1990..latest&country=FRA~DEU https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?t...
  - realusername 3y ago
    > The net difference between France and Germany isn't as high as sometimes claimed: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?t https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?t... How can you say it's not massive? Germany hasn't even reached the 90s levels of France yet..
    - natmaka 3y ago
      The major factors are: France was massively less industrial than Germany, its industrial sector is way less developed than 30 years ago (not emitting is easy when you buy more imported goods), its GDP is quite lower, its climate warmer.
      - realusername 3y ago
        Maybe it's also due to the fact that France has 40% electric heating and in Germany it's something like 5%...

lm28469 3y ago

Call me when Germany's electricity is clean and cheap then, I bet we'll be in the same place in 25 years, in the meantime it's reality VS sci-fi, and so far reality is harsh

natmaka 3y ago
In France fossil fuels produce ~65% of final energy, and the project aiming at building the first instance of a series of reactors (EPR) planned in 2004 is a failure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_(nuclear_reactor)#Flamanville_3_%28France%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_(nuclear_reactor)#Flamanvi... Germany generates more and more clean electricity while not loosing too much of its industrial sector, with a higher GDP and while getting rid of its nuclear: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/low-carbon-electricity?tab=chart&time=2000..latest&country=DEU~FRA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/low-carbon-electricity?ta... France emits less partly thanks to the dramatic reduction of its industrial sector: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-co2-embedded-in-trade?tab=chart&region=Europe&country=FRA~DEU https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-co2-embedded-in-tra... The net difference between France and Germany isn't as high as sometimes claimed: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?tab=chart&time=1990..latest&country=FRA~DEU https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?t...
- realusername 3y ago
  > The net difference between France and Germany isn't as high as sometimes claimed: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?t https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?t... How can you say it's not massive? Germany hasn't even reached the 90s levels of France yet..
  - natmaka 3y ago
    The major factors are: France was massively less industrial than Germany, its industrial sector is way less developed than 30 years ago (not emitting is easy when you buy more imported goods), its GDP is quite lower, its climate warmer.
    - realusername 3y ago
      Maybe it's also due to the fact that France has 40% electric heating and in Germany it's something like 5%...