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I don't want to pay for it. That's good, because it's free. I don't have to watch the ads if I don't want to. I have no such obligation. They give you the vide

by usea 3y ago

I don't want to pay for it. That's good, because it's free. I don't have to watch the ads if I don't want to. I have no such obligation. They give you the videos for free. You don't have to watch ads. I don't know why you think you have to do that. You don't.

summerlight 3y ago
With that logic, I guess YT reserves the right to refuse service for users like you?
- usea 3y ago
  I don't understand your meaning, but youtube can refuse service to anyone, not just me.
eklavya 3y ago
No, you have to pay for it. It's not charity and you are not entitled. You can choose to not watch ads but don't cope by pretending to be moral or ethical about it.
- skydhash 3y ago
  How do you pay for something that is free?
- usea 3y ago
  > No, you have to pay for it. No, I don't. > It's not charity and you are not entitled. You're right. I'm not entitled to it. They give them away for free. I'm taking advantage of that. They've been doing it a long time. I'll keep watching them until they're not offered anymore. At no point have I been obligated to watch their ads. I didn't strike some deal with them where I promised to watch their ads in exchange for videos. I'm simply accepting their free videos. You don't get to invent obligations in other people that they never agreed to.
  - eklavya 3y ago
    Yes, you can choose to take advantage of any system by not playing by the rules. I pray to God it doesn't become a paid only service cutting off the poor people who are poor but not cheap.
    - usea 3y ago
      > Yes, you can choose to take advantage of any system by not playing by the rules. What rule do you think there is that requires me to watch youtube ads? By what mechanism do you think I'm beholden to that rule? Is it a real rule that I have to abide by for some reason, or more like a feeling you have about the way things should be? I am genuinely curious where you think my obligation to watch ads comes from.
      - eklavya 3y ago
        The rule of give and take. You get something, they get something. What's your stance on big companies profiting off of open source tech without giving absolutely anything back? Do you think they have any obligations at all?
        usea 3y ago
        > What's your stance on big companies profiting off of open source tech without giving absolutely anything back? Do you think they have any obligations at all? No, they don't. Not beyond what's explicitly in the license. It may be in their interest to invest in open source software they use. Or they may simply want to do it, even if it's not in their interest. But they have no obligation to do so. If they did, it would be in the license, and as a result that license would not be open source. To say that users of open source software are obligated to contribute is an attack on the idea of open source. The reason I license my software the way I do is so that users are not required to do anything to see it or use it. That's the whole point. I'm giving it away, like youtube does their videos.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  > you are not entitled They aren't entitled to our attention either. We're not gonna watch ads and there's nothing they can do about it. Either they give up the mass appeal of free content and start charging money for access or they deal with it.

by usea 3y ago

summerlight 3y ago

With that logic, I guess YT reserves the right to refuse service for users like you?

usea 3y ago
I don't understand your meaning, but youtube can refuse service to anyone, not just me.

eklavya 3y ago

No, you have to pay for it. It's not charity and you are not entitled. You can choose to not watch ads but don't cope by pretending to be moral or ethical about it.

skydhash 3y ago
How do you pay for something that is free?
usea 3y ago
> No, you have to pay for it. No, I don't. > It's not charity and you are not entitled. You're right. I'm not entitled to it. They give them away for free. I'm taking advantage of that. They've been doing it a long time. I'll keep watching them until they're not offered anymore. At no point have I been obligated to watch their ads. I didn't strike some deal with them where I promised to watch their ads in exchange for videos. I'm simply accepting their free videos. You don't get to invent obligations in other people that they never agreed to.
- eklavya 3y ago
  Yes, you can choose to take advantage of any system by not playing by the rules. I pray to God it doesn't become a paid only service cutting off the poor people who are poor but not cheap.
  - usea 3y ago
    > Yes, you can choose to take advantage of any system by not playing by the rules. What rule do you think there is that requires me to watch youtube ads? By what mechanism do you think I'm beholden to that rule? Is it a real rule that I have to abide by for some reason, or more like a feeling you have about the way things should be? I am genuinely curious where you think my obligation to watch ads comes from.
    - eklavya 3y ago
      The rule of give and take. You get something, they get something. What's your stance on big companies profiting off of open source tech without giving absolutely anything back? Do you think they have any obligations at all?
      - usea 3y ago
        > What's your stance on big companies profiting off of open source tech without giving absolutely anything back? Do you think they have any obligations at all? No, they don't. Not beyond what's explicitly in the license. It may be in their interest to invest in open source software they use. Or they may simply want to do it, even if it's not in their interest. But they have no obligation to do so. If they did, it would be in the license, and as a result that license would not be open source. To say that users of open source software are obligated to contribute is an attack on the idea of open source. The reason I license my software the way I do is so that users are not required to do anything to see it or use it. That's the whole point. I'm giving it away, like youtube does their videos.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
> you are not entitled They aren't entitled to our attention either. We're not gonna watch ads and there's nothing they can do about it. Either they give up the mass appeal of free content and start charging money for access or they deal with it.