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>Just say that you want to leach from the website and not pay for it. I'm tired of hearing this. I use ad blockers, but I still had to sit through the "Wait 5

>Just say that you want to leach from the website and not pay for it. I'm tired of hearing this. I use ad blockers, but I still had to sit through the "Wait 5 seconds to click through this ad" stuff. Then, it went up to like 30 seconds after you clicked through some ads. After a few more of those, it would escalate to not being able to click through the ad at all - you had to watch it in full before whatever you wanted to see. After a few further views, you then had to watch two ads before proceeding. And you know what? I didn't mind that at all. That's how YT makes money, so whatever. And then last week they told me to fuck off because I used an ad blocker that still let their ads through. So, now I mind. Fuck that. Edit: Between this and WEI, it's hard not to see this as a part of a broader user-hostile plan from Alphabet.

AlotOfReading 3y ago
Even if you were to pay for premium and thus "get rid of ads", there are still ads that show up. YouTube shopping widgets [0] still appear, as do creator posted ads. [0] https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13376398 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13376398
- eklavya 3y ago
  That's adjusted in the price, at least in my country (India) it's pretty cheap and I like how the vast majority is able to access all the content for free since it's ad supported. It has made a huge difference in many people's lives.
  - skydhash 3y ago
    So does Wikipedia. And at one point, I was able to download the whole thing on my computer because I was online only for few hours a day. I'm not seeing Wikipedia asking to disable any adblockers.
    - eklavya 3y ago
      Wikipedia is a non profit and runs on donations. Static text vs YouTube scale service are also very very different in costs. That tutorial on internet is free, I can download the whole thing on my computer, why is that 5 years university degree program charging fees?
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Yeah if I'd pay for premium I'd want something like sponsorblock to be included by default.
roenxi 3y ago
There is a real test of principles-vs-self interest in topics like this one. YouTube is a free site that offers a free service. They owe the rest of us nothing. They were never running the site to be a charity for users. I get people using YouTube. I get people not using YouTube. People getting angry with YouTube for experimenting with their advertising strategy, however, does not flow from honourable principle-based reasoning.
- jjulius 3y ago
  Honourable? I was watching ads, I was doing what they asked. Then they decided that I get to see no content just because an ad blocker - one that was letting their ads through - was installed. That's not honourable, that's over the line.
- rurp 3y ago
  Do you feel like the decision makers at Google are acting on honourable principle-based reasoning?
  - roenxi 3y ago
    Choosing principles after assessing the person you're dealing with is also avoiding honourable principle-based reasoning. The thing about principles is they depend on the person, not the Google.
mapt 3y ago
Personally I'm watching news coverage of several current events which Youtube is severely censoring by demonetizing anyone that uses clear language and unblurred video. Smaller creators keep getting banned without knowing why, just for talking about these subjects. This cannot help but provide forceful editorial direction given the events in question. When ads do get through, the content has fallen into a rut where I'm exclusively viewing anti-trans hate group ads or anti-Palestinian hate group ads. ContentID has rendered fair use discussion of popular media almost impossible; While a creator discusses how much they liked a scene in a film, my eyes are being shown half-second clips from OTHER FILMS or from stock footage. That's not what I agreed to at all when I started using Youtube. This platform has gone insane.

AlotOfReading 3y ago

Even if you were to pay for premium and thus "get rid of ads", there are still ads that show up. YouTube shopping widgets [0] still appear, as do creator posted ads. [0] https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13376398 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/13376398

eklavya 3y ago
That's adjusted in the price, at least in my country (India) it's pretty cheap and I like how the vast majority is able to access all the content for free since it's ad supported. It has made a huge difference in many people's lives.
- skydhash 3y ago
  So does Wikipedia. And at one point, I was able to download the whole thing on my computer because I was online only for few hours a day. I'm not seeing Wikipedia asking to disable any adblockers.
  - eklavya 3y ago
    Wikipedia is a non profit and runs on donations. Static text vs YouTube scale service are also very very different in costs. That tutorial on internet is free, I can download the whole thing on my computer, why is that 5 years university degree program charging fees?
wkat4242 3y ago
Yeah if I'd pay for premium I'd want something like sponsorblock to be included by default.

roenxi 3y ago

There is a real test of principles-vs-self interest in topics like this one. YouTube is a free site that offers a free service. They owe the rest of us nothing. They were never running the site to be a charity for users. I get people using YouTube. I get people not using YouTube. People getting angry with YouTube for experimenting with their advertising strategy, however, does not flow from honourable principle-based reasoning.

jjulius 3y ago
Honourable? I was watching ads, I was doing what they asked. Then they decided that I get to see no content just because an ad blocker - one that was letting their ads through - was installed. That's not honourable, that's over the line.
rurp 3y ago
Do you feel like the decision makers at Google are acting on honourable principle-based reasoning?
- roenxi 3y ago
  Choosing principles after assessing the person you're dealing with is also avoiding honourable principle-based reasoning. The thing about principles is they depend on the person, not the Google.

mapt 3y ago

Personally I'm watching news coverage of several current events which Youtube is severely censoring by demonetizing anyone that uses clear language and unblurred video. Smaller creators keep getting banned without knowing why, just for talking about these subjects. This cannot help but provide forceful editorial direction given the events in question. When ads do get through, the content has fallen into a rut where I'm exclusively viewing anti-trans hate group ads or anti-Palestinian hate group ads. ContentID has rendered fair use discussion of popular media almost impossible; While a creator discusses how much they liked a scene in a film, my eyes are being shown half-second clips from OTHER FILMS or from stock footage. That's not what I agreed to at all when I started using Youtube. This platform has gone insane.