> So when he looked at math PhD students who at most got chalk dust onto their sweater, calling themselves scientists, he disagreed. I've not found mathematici

> So when he looked at math PhD students who at most got chalk dust onto their sweater, calling themselves scientists, he disagreed. I've not found mathematicians calling themselves scientists. In fact, it's usually the opposite: they boast that they are not scientists and are not limited by petty reality.