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People look at you like you're crazy if you tell them you avoid oats, grains, nuts that are particularly heavy in glyphosate.

by tempsy 3y ago

throwawaaarrgh 3y ago
Glyphosate breaks down within a few days, doesn't remain in plants, and is passed out the body quickly even if you were exposed to it while spraying. You're not going to get any of it by eating oats.
nemo 3y ago
He was using glyphosate as a weed-killer and getting it on his hands and feet. Way higher levels of exposure than any foods. Also if you're afraid of glyphosate, the Roundup-ready crops are the ones to avoid especially - soy, corn, canola, sugar beets. There's no Roundup-ready wheat, oats, or nuts. (edit: apparently it's used as a desiccant so it winds up in cereals as well - lovely, though still there's no evidence it's got dietary effects). I'm not really concerned about its dietary effects since there's no evidence there, but as an amateur entomologist the effects of Roundup on butterfly populations have been devastating - in the past milkweed was pretty hard to completely weed out by hand, but modern farming can clear hundreds of acres of every trace of milkweed with Roundup/glyphosate.
- Zigurd 3y ago
  Roundup is used to dessicate some crops to make harvesting more efficient.
- moberley 3y ago
  Glyphosate is sometimes used a pre-harvest dessicant with cereal crops like wheat in which case the Roundup Ready gene is not required.
  - 1letterunixname 3y ago
    The Wikipedia datalinks opines it's a practice banned in Austria and frowned upon by buyers in Canada. Spraying chemicals on crops to make them cheaper to harvest is enough evidence to convince me it's best to avoid all cereal products unless they're organic.
- szundi 3y ago
  Living in eastern europe I have not seen butterflies for decades. Now they seem to be returning a bit.
  - nemo 3y ago
    I keep records of butterfly sightings. This is the worst year I've ever seen by far. In a normal year queen butterflies are one of the most abundant migrants. So far I have seen 0. I've seen no swallowtails of any species at all, and massively reduced numbers of typical species or none. But that's because of the drought, not glyphosate.
vkou 3y ago
Given that as of 2023: 1. Glyphosate is one of the more heavily studied chemicals known to man. 2. The evidence for it causing cancer is poor. Studies routinely fail to find evidence for it. 3. The subset of studies that do find evidence for such a link, find it in occupational exposure, by people who have been working knee-deep in it for decades. [1] Yes, people probably should look at you like you're crazy, because you're extrapolating from cherry-picked evidence that supports your priors. [1] Whose exposure is dramatically higher than that of someone eating food grown with it.
- sharts 3y ago
  It would seem that #2 and #3 directly contradict one another and that the truth is that it does indeed cause cancer at a particular rate / exposure over time. Rather than saying it doesn't affect this group but does affect another group it would be more appropriate to establish the level of consumption/exposure that is likely to cause a statistical increase in the likelihood of developing cancer.
  - cma 3y ago
    Studies fail to find it doesn't mean all studies fail to find it, but it could have been clearer.
- defrost 3y ago
  While I'm in essential agreement with the comment above it's still worth fleshing out the case against for those interested. The specific papers (worst effects of a great deal of exposure) oft cited are: Myers, J.P.; Antoniou, M.N.; Blumberg, B.; Carroll, L.; Colborn, T.; Everett, L.G.; Hansen, M.; Landrigan, P.J.; Lanphear, B.P.; Mesnage, R.; et al. Concerns over use of glyphosate-based herbicides and risks associated with exposures: a consensus statement. Environ. Health 2016, 15, 19. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26883814/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26883814/ Leon, M.E.; Schinasi, L.H.; Lebailly, P.; Beane Freeman, L.E.; Nordby, K.-C.; Ferro, G.; Monnereau, A.; Brouwer, M.; Tual, S.; Baldi, I.; et al. Pesticide use and risk of non-Hodgkin lymphoid malignancies in agricultural cohorts from France, Norway and the USA: A pooled analysis from the AGRICOH consortium. Int. J. Epidemiol. 2019, 48, 1519–1535. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30880337/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30880337/ Zhang, L.; Rana, I.; Shaffer, R.M.; Taioli, E.; Sheppard, L. Exposure to glyphosate-based herbicides and risk for non-Hodgkin lymphoma: A meta-analysis and supporting evidence. Mutat. Res. Rev. Mutat. Res. 2019, 781, 186–206. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31342895/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31342895/ I'm in a grain growing district and glyphosate isn't being applied to grain ready to eat | harvest here, just sprayed pre harvest to kill weeds and mid season to suppress weeds coming up in competition. If people are concerned they could source from international suppliers that demand no glyphosate contracts such as https://www.grainmillers.com/grower-specifications/ https://www.grainmillers.com/grower-specifications/ For an industry review of the possiblities of avoiding Farming without Glyphosate? https://www.ahri.uwa.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/plants-09-00096.pdf https://www.ahri.uwa.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/plant... is a decent balanced paper - it points out the vast number of studies show no real cause for concern while also giving the papers that show issues for farmers and the possible future for glyphosate free farming.
UweSchmidt 3y ago
Yet another invisible thing invented for substantial benefit and maybe serious harm over a long time; hard to prove cause-and-effect, difficult to protect yourself from, or to know how much you are exposed.
jjtheblunt 3y ago
How do you know if particular ones are or are not?
pokstad 3y ago
Isn’t the reason that people get ill from those foods is primarily due to excess calories causing obesity and inflation? Wouldn’t the same thing happen with other foods just as cheap and calorie dense?
pella 3y ago
--> "Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease" (phys.org) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37905251 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37905251 ( 18 days ago )
cracrecry 3y ago
They probably do not have that high concentration on seeds itself. The problem is that it thousands of tons need to be dispersed on the environment and its effect as an antibiotic on big scale. We have a very important microbiota that are bacteria themselves. The antibiotics on meat and environment can break havoc there, specially for people that work or live near those environments and can breathe or drink the pesticides.
- Loughla 3y ago
  Does glyphosate act as an antibiotic? This is literally news to me. It's a weed killer?
  - sitharus 3y ago
    Glyphosate is toxic to some bacteria as they use the same enzyme as part of amino acid synthesis. It’s not a universal antibiotic.
- 1letterunixname 3y ago
  Might be conflating different issues. I haven't seen the data or reporting on glyphosate residues. Without clear, unbiased proof of safety following the precautionary principle, there is no assurances that this shit is safe to eat. Also, yes, industrial meat ag is bad for creating new pandemics between human workers<->livestock animals packed together in CAFOs<->wildlife, antibiotic resistance (antibiotics injected to make animals grow faster), and climate change. Sometimes animal rights people tout animal cruelty, but few people are convinced because the cognitive dissonance "forcefield" is too strong to accept this idea. Adapting a quote by Upton Sinclair: "It's difficult to get someone to understand something when their tastebuds and drone-delivered fast food depends on their not understanding it." Probably a whole other area for discussion. :]
- hinkley 3y ago
  Our digestive tracts aren’t fond of detergents either, and Roundup contains some. For that matter, so do the pods you use in your dishwasher, which is something that just came onto my radar recently. Are HE dishwashers removing enough detergent residue during the rinse cycle? Possibly not.
Reptur 3y ago
If we're sharing thoughts, I need to point out that once you hit your late 60s, you're more likely to get cancer, and your risk keeps going up [1]. Our food is loaded with chemicals that can make you sick or even cause cancer [2]. That age is also when people usually retire and are no longer "productive". Here's where I might lose you. In our country, illness is a way to make money [3]. If you're really sick and trying to stay alive, you'll spend everything you've got. So the quickest way to turn people's savings into profit while also reducing the population of non-productive people is for them to fall ill, pay as much as they can to survive and then ultimately die an early death, which triggers a death tax event [4]. 1. https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/age https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/a... 2. https://www.eatthis.com/toxic-food-ingredients-linked-to-cancer/ https://www.eatthis.com/toxic-food-ingredients-linked-to-can... 3. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2023/01/13/unitedhealth-group-reports-47-billion-profit-as-optum-and-health-plans-maintain-momentum/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2023/01/13/unitedhe... 4. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/death-taxes.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/death-taxes.asp
- ok_dad 3y ago
  Maybe that’s why America has such high productivity. We’re have a culture and economy that agree that it’s better to die than be unproductive and rely on others.
- rainbowzootsuit 3y ago
  This is a good reason to be long on hospice stocks. https://swingtradebot.com/stocks-tagged-as/12320-hospice https://swingtradebot.com/stocks-tagged-as/12320-hospice
- theGnuMe 3y ago
  Yes! Processed food is loaded with preservatives which IMO probably increase the risk of cancer.
  - XorNot 3y ago
    Why would you think that? Which preservative additives are you concerned about?
1letterunixname 3y ago
Most people lack subject matter expertise on topics they espouse opinions impertinently, don't look at the evidence, and don't take sensible precautions against unknowns, so their opinions don't matter. In the absence of compelling precautionary evidence and systematic safety processes, it's clear that the faithful adherents of organic production are more likely to be safer than industrial megafarming done with the same blind faith in the miracles of chemical wizardry that brought us such hits as organophosphates, chlorpyrifos, DDT, and the over 85k compounds that are de facto unregulated because they are allowed until specific injury is proven after the damage is done ("whack-a-mole"-style), rather than first proven safe.
- hinkley 3y ago
  At work we have a term for the people who completely dismiss the opinions of laypeople who have to use what they produce. We call them assholes. Or fucking assholes, depending on the degree.
- gruez 3y ago
  >the faithful adherents of organic production are more likely to be safer than industrial megafarming But the "organic" label doesn't check whether the farmers were "faithful adherents of organic production", only that they fulfilled the organic checklist. They can use as much chemical fertilizer and pesticides as they want, so long they're on the approved list. In the same vain farming and "industrial megafarming" isn't mutually exclusive.
  - mikeiz404 3y ago
    That list appears to be relatively restrictive: - Bacillus subtilis - Bacilus thuringiensis - Beauveria bassiana - Boric acid: Structural pest control, no direct contact with organic food or crops. - Coniothyrium minitans - Copper: Copper hydroxide, copper oxide, copper oxychloride, includes products exempted from EPA tolerance, provided that copper-based materials must be used in a manner that minimizes accumulation in the soil and shall not be used as herbicides. - Copper sulfate: Application rates are limited to levels which do not increase baseline soil test values for copper over a timeframe agreed upon by the producer and accredited certifying agent. - Corn gluten - Cydia pomonella granulosis - Diatomaceous earth - Gibberellic acid - Horticultural vinegar - Hydrogen peroxide - Lime sulfer: Including calcium polysulfide - Minerals such as elemental sulfur, bicarbonate, or kaolin clay - Myrothecium verrucaria - Non-detergent insecticidal soaps: As a pesticide, fungicide, or algaecide for food crops - Oils, including petroleum, vegetable, and fish oils: Types include dormant, suffocating, and summer oils - Peracetic acid: For use to control fire blight bacteria. Also permitted in hydrogen peroxide formulations at a concentration of no more than 6% as indicated on the pesticide product label - Pheromones and pheromone traps - Plant-derived substances such as neem, caraway oil, seed fennel, quassia, or ryania - Ryania/Ryanodine - Sabadilla - Spinosad - Streptomycin sulfate and tetracycline - Sticky traps - Vitamin D3: As a rodencide https://www.agdaily.com/technology/the-list-of-pesticides-approved-for-organic-production/ https://www.agdaily.com/technology/the-list-of-pesticides-ap... See also https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-7/subtitle-B/chapter-I/subchapter-M/part-205/subpart-G https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-7/subtitle-B/chapter-I/su... And the farms are re-certified annually to be in compliance. To maintain organic certification, your certified organic farm or business will go through an annual review and inspection process. https://www.ams.usda.gov/services/organic-certification/becoming-certified https://www.ams.usda.gov/services/organic-certification/beco... - More than 45,000 onsite inspections per year by certifying agents to monitor compliance with USDA organic standards. Every certified operation has at least one onsite inspection each year. - Certifiers audited by USDA to make sure they are implementing the rules correctly. - Residue testing program to verify that prohibited pesticides aren’t being applied to organic crops. - Robust compliance and enforcement activities. - Risk-based investigations based on operation size, complexity, geographic location or compliance history. https://www.ams.usda.gov/services/organic-certification/organic-basics https://www.ams.usda.gov/services/organic-certification/orga...
hinkley 3y ago
There are a bunch of wheat free people who have no problem eating wheat in Europe. Nobody knows why, some people suspect Monsanto is why.

People look at you like you're crazy if you tell them you avoid oats, grains, nuts that are particularly heavy in glyphosate.

by tempsy 3y ago

People look at you like you're crazy if you tell them you avoid oats, grains, nuts that are particularly heavy in glyphosate.

throwawaaarrgh 3y ago

Glyphosate breaks down within a few days, doesn't remain in plants, and is passed out the body quickly even if you were exposed to it while spraying. You're not going to get any of it by eating oats.

nemo 3y ago

He was using glyphosate as a weed-killer and getting it on his hands and feet. Way higher levels of exposure than any foods. Also if you're afraid of glyphosate, the Roundup-ready crops are the ones to avoid especially - soy, corn, canola, sugar beets. There's no Roundup-ready wheat, oats, or nuts. (edit: apparently it's used as a desiccant so it winds up in cereals as well - lovely, though still there's no evidence it's got dietary effects). I'm not really concerned about its dietary effects since there's no evidence there, but as an amateur entomologist the effects of Roundup on butterfly populations have been devastating - in the past milkweed was pretty hard to completely weed out by hand, but modern farming can clear hundreds of acres of every trace of milkweed with Roundup/glyphosate.

Zigurd 3y ago
Roundup is used to dessicate some crops to make harvesting more efficient.
moberley 3y ago
Glyphosate is sometimes used a pre-harvest dessicant with cereal crops like wheat in which case the Roundup Ready gene is not required.
- 1letterunixname 3y ago
  The Wikipedia datalinks opines it's a practice banned in Austria and frowned upon by buyers in Canada. Spraying chemicals on crops to make them cheaper to harvest is enough evidence to convince me it's best to avoid all cereal products unless they're organic.
szundi 3y ago
Living in eastern europe I have not seen butterflies for decades. Now they seem to be returning a bit.
- nemo 3y ago
  I keep records of butterfly sightings. This is the worst year I've ever seen by far. In a normal year queen butterflies are one of the most abundant migrants. So far I have seen 0. I've seen no swallowtails of any species at all, and massively reduced numbers of typical species or none. But that's because of the drought, not glyphosate.

vkou 3y ago

Given that as of 2023: 1. Glyphosate is one of the more heavily studied chemicals known to man. 2. The evidence for it causing cancer is poor. Studies routinely fail to find evidence for it. 3. The subset of studies that do find evidence for such a link, find it in occupational exposure, by people who have been working knee-deep in it for decades. [1] Yes, people probably should look at you like you're crazy, because you're extrapolating from cherry-picked evidence that supports your priors. [1] Whose exposure is dramatically higher than that of someone eating food grown with it.

sharts 3y ago
It would seem that #2 and #3 directly contradict one another and that the truth is that it does indeed cause cancer at a particular rate / exposure over time. Rather than saying it doesn't affect this group but does affect another group it would be more appropriate to establish the level of consumption/exposure that is likely to cause a statistical increase in the likelihood of developing cancer.
- cma 3y ago
  Studies fail to find it doesn't mean all studies fail to find it, but it could have been clearer.
defrost 3y ago
While I'm in essential agreement with the comment above it's still worth fleshing out the case against for those interested. The specific papers (worst effects of a great deal of exposure) oft cited are: Myers, J.P.; Antoniou, M.N.; Blumberg, B.; Carroll, L.; Colborn, T.; Everett, L.G.; Hansen, M.; Landrigan, P.J.; Lanphear, B.P.; Mesnage, R.; et al. Concerns over use of glyphosate-based herbicides and risks associated with exposures: a consensus statement. Environ. Health 2016, 15, 19. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26883814/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26883814/ Leon, M.E.; Schinasi, L.H.; Lebailly, P.; Beane Freeman, L.E.; Nordby, K.-C.; Ferro, G.; Monnereau, A.; Brouwer, M.; Tual, S.; Baldi, I.; et al. Pesticide use and risk of non-Hodgkin lymphoid malignancies in agricultural cohorts from France, Norway and the USA: A pooled analysis from the AGRICOH consortium. Int. J. Epidemiol. 2019, 48, 1519–1535. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30880337/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30880337/ Zhang, L.; Rana, I.; Shaffer, R.M.; Taioli, E.; Sheppard, L. Exposure to glyphosate-based herbicides and risk for non-Hodgkin lymphoma: A meta-analysis and supporting evidence. Mutat. Res. Rev. Mutat. Res. 2019, 781, 186–206. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31342895/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31342895/ I'm in a grain growing district and glyphosate isn't being applied to grain ready to eat | harvest here, just sprayed pre harvest to kill weeds and mid season to suppress weeds coming up in competition. If people are concerned they could source from international suppliers that demand no glyphosate contracts such as https://www.grainmillers.com/grower-specifications/ https://www.grainmillers.com/grower-specifications/ For an industry review of the possiblities of avoiding Farming without Glyphosate? https://www.ahri.uwa.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/plants-09-00096.pdf https://www.ahri.uwa.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/plant... is a decent balanced paper - it points out the vast number of studies show no real cause for concern while also giving the papers that show issues for farmers and the possible future for glyphosate free farming.

UweSchmidt 3y ago

Yet another invisible thing invented for substantial benefit and maybe serious harm over a long time; hard to prove cause-and-effect, difficult to protect yourself from, or to know how much you are exposed.

jjtheblunt 3y ago

How do you know if particular ones are or are not?

pokstad 3y ago

Isn’t the reason that people get ill from those foods is primarily due to excess calories causing obesity and inflation? Wouldn’t the same thing happen with other foods just as cheap and calorie dense?

pella 3y ago

--> "Roundup herbicide ingredient connected to epidemic chronic kidney disease" (phys.org) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37905251 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37905251 ( 18 days ago )

cracrecry 3y ago

They probably do not have that high concentration on seeds itself. The problem is that it thousands of tons need to be dispersed on the environment and its effect as an antibiotic on big scale. We have a very important microbiota that are bacteria themselves. The antibiotics on meat and environment can break havoc there, specially for people that work or live near those environments and can breathe or drink the pesticides.

Loughla 3y ago
Does glyphosate act as an antibiotic? This is literally news to me. It's a weed killer?
- sitharus 3y ago
  Glyphosate is toxic to some bacteria as they use the same enzyme as part of amino acid synthesis. It’s not a universal antibiotic.
1letterunixname 3y ago
Might be conflating different issues. I haven't seen the data or reporting on glyphosate residues. Without clear, unbiased proof of safety following the precautionary principle, there is no assurances that this shit is safe to eat. Also, yes, industrial meat ag is bad for creating new pandemics between human workers<->livestock animals packed together in CAFOs<->wildlife, antibiotic resistance (antibiotics injected to make animals grow faster), and climate change. Sometimes animal rights people tout animal cruelty, but few people are convinced because the cognitive dissonance "forcefield" is too strong to accept this idea. Adapting a quote by Upton Sinclair: "It's difficult to get someone to understand something when their tastebuds and drone-delivered fast food depends on their not understanding it." Probably a whole other area for discussion. :]
hinkley 3y ago
Our digestive tracts aren’t fond of detergents either, and Roundup contains some. For that matter, so do the pods you use in your dishwasher, which is something that just came onto my radar recently. Are HE dishwashers removing enough detergent residue during the rinse cycle? Possibly not.

Reptur 3y ago

If we're sharing thoughts, I need to point out that once you hit your late 60s, you're more likely to get cancer, and your risk keeps going up [1]. Our food is loaded with chemicals that can make you sick or even cause cancer [2]. That age is also when people usually retire and are no longer "productive". Here's where I might lose you. In our country, illness is a way to make money [3]. If you're really sick and trying to stay alive, you'll spend everything you've got. So the quickest way to turn people's savings into profit while also reducing the population of non-productive people is for them to fall ill, pay as much as they can to survive and then ultimately die an early death, which triggers a death tax event [4]. 1. https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/age https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/a... 2. https://www.eatthis.com/toxic-food-ingredients-linked-to-cancer/ https://www.eatthis.com/toxic-food-ingredients-linked-to-can... 3. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2023/01/13/unitedhealth-group-reports-47-billion-profit-as-optum-and-health-plans-maintain-momentum/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2023/01/13/unitedhe... 4. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/death-taxes.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/death-taxes.asp

ok_dad 3y ago
Maybe that’s why America has such high productivity. We’re have a culture and economy that agree that it’s better to die than be unproductive and rely on others.
rainbowzootsuit 3y ago
This is a good reason to be long on hospice stocks. https://swingtradebot.com/stocks-tagged-as/12320-hospice https://swingtradebot.com/stocks-tagged-as/12320-hospice
theGnuMe 3y ago
Yes! Processed food is loaded with preservatives which IMO probably increase the risk of cancer.
- XorNot 3y ago
  Why would you think that? Which preservative additives are you concerned about?

1letterunixname 3y ago

Most people lack subject matter expertise on topics they espouse opinions impertinently, don't look at the evidence, and don't take sensible precautions against unknowns, so their opinions don't matter. In the absence of compelling precautionary evidence and systematic safety processes, it's clear that the faithful adherents of organic production are more likely to be safer than industrial megafarming done with the same blind faith in the miracles of chemical wizardry that brought us such hits as organophosphates, chlorpyrifos, DDT, and the over 85k compounds that are de facto unregulated because they are allowed until specific injury is proven after the damage is done ("whack-a-mole"-style), rather than first proven safe.

hinkley 3y ago
At work we have a term for the people who completely dismiss the opinions of laypeople who have to use what they produce. We call them assholes. Or fucking assholes, depending on the degree.
gruez 3y ago
>the faithful adherents of organic production are more likely to be safer than industrial megafarming But the "organic" label doesn't check whether the farmers were "faithful adherents of organic production", only that they fulfilled the organic checklist. They can use as much chemical fertilizer and pesticides as they want, so long they're on the approved list. In the same vain farming and "industrial megafarming" isn't mutually exclusive.
- mikeiz404 3y ago
  That list appears to be relatively restrictive: - Bacillus subtilis - Bacilus thuringiensis - Beauveria bassiana - Boric acid: Structural pest control, no direct contact with organic food or crops. - Coniothyrium minitans - Copper: Copper hydroxide, copper oxide, copper oxychloride, includes products exempted from EPA tolerance, provided that copper-based materials must be used in a manner that minimizes accumulation in the soil and shall not be used as herbicides. - Copper sulfate: Application rates are limited to levels which do not increase baseline soil test values for copper over a timeframe agreed upon by the producer and accredited certifying agent. - Corn gluten - Cydia pomonella granulosis - Diatomaceous earth - Gibberellic acid - Horticultural vinegar - Hydrogen peroxide - Lime sulfer: Including calcium polysulfide - Minerals such as elemental sulfur, bicarbonate, or kaolin clay - Myrothecium verrucaria - Non-detergent insecticidal soaps: As a pesticide, fungicide, or algaecide for food crops - Oils, including petroleum, vegetable, and fish oils: Types include dormant, suffocating, and summer oils - Peracetic acid: For use to control fire blight bacteria. Also permitted in hydrogen peroxide formulations at a concentration of no more than 6% as indicated on the pesticide product label - Pheromones and pheromone traps - Plant-derived substances such as neem, caraway oil, seed fennel, quassia, or ryania - Ryania/Ryanodine - Sabadilla - Spinosad - Streptomycin sulfate and tetracycline - Sticky traps - Vitamin D3: As a rodencide https://www.agdaily.com/technology/the-list-of-pesticides-approved-for-organic-production/ https://www.agdaily.com/technology/the-list-of-pesticides-ap... See also https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-7/subtitle-B/chapter-I/subchapter-M/part-205/subpart-G https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-7/subtitle-B/chapter-I/su... And the farms are re-certified annually to be in compliance. To maintain organic certification, your certified organic farm or business will go through an annual review and inspection process. https://www.ams.usda.gov/services/organic-certification/becoming-certified https://www.ams.usda.gov/services/organic-certification/beco... - More than 45,000 onsite inspections per year by certifying agents to monitor compliance with USDA organic standards. Every certified operation has at least one onsite inspection each year. - Certifiers audited by USDA to make sure they are implementing the rules correctly. - Residue testing program to verify that prohibited pesticides aren’t being applied to organic crops. - Robust compliance and enforcement activities. - Risk-based investigations based on operation size, complexity, geographic location or compliance history. https://www.ams.usda.gov/services/organic-certification/organic-basics https://www.ams.usda.gov/services/organic-certification/orga...

hinkley 3y ago

There are a bunch of wheat free people who have no problem eating wheat in Europe. Nobody knows why, some people suspect Monsanto is why.