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Idk, Rust seems to be working out. Thunderbird is working as well.

by 542458 3y ago

DoctorOW 3y ago
Rust is a Linux Foundation project, and the process of adding more Rust code to Firefox is (to my knowledge) less of a priority. I love Firefox, but Mozilla enjoys shooting itself in the foot too much.
- steveklabnik 3y ago
  Rust is not a Linux Foundation project. The Rust Foundation is its own foundation.
- 542458 3y ago
  Rust was created by a Mozilla employee and sponsored by Mozilla, and Mozilla was the debatably the most significant organization-level contributor to the project from 2006 through 2020.
derf_ 3y ago
If you will permit me to tout things I worked on while there, Opus seems to have been pretty successful? The final story has not yet been written on AV1, but it is still the best chance we have had for a royalty-free video format and thanks to YouTube, Netflix, Facebook, etc. now makes up a non-trivial fraction of the bits on the internet. That ought to be enough to get it over the "ever remotely panned out" bar. I find myself using WebRTC quite a bit these days, too, so happy to have been a (small) part of that.
- 542458 3y ago
  That’s another great example, thank you.
coldtea 3y ago
>Idk, Rust seems to be working out. Rust was created to write a new rendering engine in, which they abandoned half-way. Then they abandoned Rust itself. And, guess what, they also abandoned Thunderbird: "Thunderbird has been independent since 2012. See https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2012/07/06/thunderbird-stability-and-community-innovation/ https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2012/07/06/thunderbird-stabi... Many people have not realized this, but for Thunderbird to grow and adapt to a changing environment having some sort of income stream is important. There is a limit to what the volunteers can do. Hence significant fund raising efforts. The web site perhaps answers the current arrangement best. https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/about/ https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/about/ One of the issues we face is that people in general do not differentiate between Mozilla co the commercial entity that produces Firefox and the Mozilla foundation that owns it. Thunderbird's arrangements are with the foundation, not the company."
- 542458 3y ago
  I’m not sure why you feel my thunderbird point is invalid. The parent post on this thread didn’t specify which Mozilla entity they were talking about, so I interpreted it is all of them generally. Mozilla Foundation owns MZLA which pays for developers of Thunderbird. I don’t see that as Mozilla (collectively) abandoning Thunderbird. They just changed the fundraising umbrella.

Idk, Rust seems to be working out. Thunderbird is working as well.

by 542458 3y ago

Idk, Rust seems to be working out. Thunderbird is working as well.

Rust is a Linux Foundation project, and the process of adding more Rust code to Firefox is (to my knowledge) less of a priority. I love Firefox, but Mozilla enjoys shooting itself in the foot too much.

steveklabnik 3y ago
Rust is not a Linux Foundation project. The Rust Foundation is its own foundation.
542458 3y ago
Rust was created by a Mozilla employee and sponsored by Mozilla, and Mozilla was the debatably the most significant organization-level contributor to the project from 2006 through 2020.

derf_ 3y ago

If you will permit me to tout things I worked on while there, Opus seems to have been pretty successful? The final story has not yet been written on AV1, but it is still the best chance we have had for a royalty-free video format and thanks to YouTube, Netflix, Facebook, etc. now makes up a non-trivial fraction of the bits on the internet. That ought to be enough to get it over the "ever remotely panned out" bar. I find myself using WebRTC quite a bit these days, too, so happy to have been a (small) part of that.

542458 3y ago
That’s another great example, thank you.

coldtea 3y ago

>Idk, Rust seems to be working out. Rust was created to write a new rendering engine in, which they abandoned half-way. Then they abandoned Rust itself. And, guess what, they also abandoned Thunderbird: "Thunderbird has been independent since 2012. See https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2012/07/06/thunderbird-stability-and-community-innovation/ https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2012/07/06/thunderbird-stabi... Many people have not realized this, but for Thunderbird to grow and adapt to a changing environment having some sort of income stream is important. There is a limit to what the volunteers can do. Hence significant fund raising efforts. The web site perhaps answers the current arrangement best. https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/about/ https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/about/ One of the issues we face is that people in general do not differentiate between Mozilla co the commercial entity that produces Firefox and the Mozilla foundation that owns it. Thunderbird's arrangements are with the foundation, not the company."

542458 3y ago
I’m not sure why you feel my thunderbird point is invalid. The parent post on this thread didn’t specify which Mozilla entity they were talking about, so I interpreted it is all of them generally. Mozilla Foundation owns MZLA which pays for developers of Thunderbird. I don’t see that as Mozilla (collectively) abandoning Thunderbird. They just changed the fundraising umbrella.