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> For example, Mozilla is currently experimenting with a Discover feed that aims to surface engaging content. Over time, it plans to gather more signals from ar
by russellbeattie 3y ago
> For example, Mozilla is currently experimenting with a Discover feed that aims to surface engaging content. Over time, it plans to gather more signals from around the fediverse to determine what sort of content people are interacting with.
Until this is integrated into Mastodon by default - or any other new social network - its success will be limited to a niche at best. The only reason Twitter, Instagram, Facebook and the rest have been able to retain users is because of the algorithms which surface engaging content that keeps users coming back for more. (Sadly for society, the most "engaging" is usually the most polemic or inflammatory possible, which bad actors have abused successfully with tragic results for all of us.)
Let me back up this statement with simple math:
If you follow 100 accounts (not a crazy amount) and they post an average of 5 times a day (some more, some less), that's 500 posts a day to process. Assuming 16 waking hours a day, that's a tweet every 2 minutes. The more people you follow, the crazier the numbers get.
Over a decade ago when I still used Twitter and its API still functioned, I pulled my personal feed into a custom database, and then added my own web UI on top of it so I could try different ways of seeing all the posts from accounts I followed. I tried grouping by user, time, topic, custom ordering, filtering, formatting, etc. It turns out, it was impossible. No matter what I tried, the sheer quantity of posts means I'd miss a majority of them. At the time, I foolishly thought that this meant social media was just a fad that would soon go away - I didn't foresee the effect the discovery algorithms would have on their usage.
Mastodon doesn't have this functionality by default and because of the federated nature of the service, probably won't any time soon. So people join Mastodon, use it for a while before they reach a tipping point, get overwhelmed by toots, don't feel they're getting any decent response for their own posts, don't see anything instantly engaging at the top of their feed, and then slowly stop using it.
- bachmeier 3y agoEverything in this post is specific to you. Some people like to go to a social media site and have an algorithm spoon-feed them garbage. I'm someone that doesn't. Mastodon is way, way better for someone like me. And judging from my Mastodon timeline, it's working well for a lot of others too. Let me suggest something crazy. Maybe a social network can exist and thrive even if there's another social network with more users.
- rsolva 3y agoThe differences between walled garden social media and the fediverse is significant. Not all users from the algorithmically driven varieties will find a new home in the fediverse, and I guess thats OK. I have been a part of the Fediverse since 2017 and have built up a very different network of friends and interesting people and projects. The tempo is slower. I don't check the feed compulsively several times an hour as I often did with Twitter, but I do check in now and then and get occational notifications when low frequency / high quality posters put out something new. It's different and it might not suit everyone, but I like it. It's more human and I'm more in control. And no ads, just people!
- multjoy 3y agoI never used the native Twitter app - my Twitter experience was solely through Tweetbot, and that was strictly a chronological timeline of posts from people I followed. Which is identical now to my mastodon experience with Ivory.
- wkat4242 3y agoHmm I would disagree. I used to love Facebook when I could follow my friends with it. Since they replaced the timeline with that ridiculous feed with content I never asked for, it became a real drag. I don't want to see anything I didn't specifically follow. The same way I don't want to receive spam emails. People like me are not a majority but more common than you think. The problem is, if you do what we want you can't market anything to us. That's why the platforms do this.