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I need a macro template for those memes with Bart Simpson on the blackboard and make it say "I will always have a backup plan for third-party services". Seriou

I need a macro template for those memes with Bart Simpson on the blackboard and make it say "I will always have a backup plan for third-party services". Seriously people: gitea exists. Gitlab self-hosted exists. Drone/Woodpecker CI exists. It's not that difficult to set up a project that does not depend on Github. I spent less time setting these up than the amount of down time that Github has had this year.

waihtis 3y ago
Problem is, this is one of 50 things that can go wrong for which you should have a robust backup plan for
- asdff 3y ago
  It's amazing how many of these issues can be obviated by taking a step back at a given SAAS, asking can I self host this, then if you can and need redundancy to just buy two desktops and stick one in your place and another in your friends apartment in another town. With a lightweight static site, a modern desktop is probably more than powerful enough to deal with most any load you might realistically see for your given project. You are also extremely unlikely to have both of these desktops go down at once if they are on different local power grids and internet service providers, short of invasion of the continental U.S. perhaps.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    So how do you keep data synced between them in a manner that ensures the data is safe? Now you're playing security sysadmin, and you're playing backup administrator, and your playing hardware admin (did you use 2 SSDs bought at the same time?). You don't ever escape the payment cost of the issues of keeping these systems running. You're paying staff to do it, you're paying a cloud provider to do this, or you're paying out of your own time.
    - asdff 3y ago
      If these things were so insurmountable, the early internet would not have existed at all. Yet it did and still does in many corners, which stands to reason that you can do these things too.
      - pixl97 3y ago
        This is where I quote a Narina meme and say "Don't quote the old magic to me..." You're engaging in survivorship bias. One of my first 'social' media/forum accounts accounts was lost when the admin of the site dropped the user table from a database, and had to go back to everyone online and ask for people to mail in about their accounts. I never bothered to set it back up. Piles of other smaller sites disappeared for similar reasons. If you completely ignore all that, then yea the old internet was fine. Oh, and that these days hackers are highly motivated to encrypt all your crap for bitcoin. Typically big sites don't disappear because they depend on separation of duties between different teams doing their responsibilities. For example, knowing how backups work and making sure they are working every day.
      - reidjs 3y ago
        It’s not insurmountable, just there’s no point in adding that risk to most projects. Would you rather tell your boss so and so failed because of a news-worthy GitHub incident or so and so failed because all 3 backups of your own DIY service were taken down by some extremely unlikely (but not impossible) chain of events?
- layer8 3y ago
  If you’re using 50 things requiring separate backup plans, and you aren’t large enough that it’s also no problem to organize backup plans for those 50 things, you’re doing something wrong, I’d say.
  - waihtis 3y ago
    just exaggerating as usual
verve_rat 3y ago
Or, just take the rest of the day off? The world will still be there after the weekend.
- rglullis 3y ago
  yesterday I couldn't set up a bunch of servers that I needed provisioned and cloudflare's API had an outage. Today if I were using github, my day would be wasted again. For all the talk about companies trying to cut out on meetings by putting a sticker price to it (this 30 minute meeting could've been an email and cost $2000), at what point do we start saying "this outage could've been avoided and cost us $5k"?
  - verve_rat 3y ago
    Avoided how, by spending $50,000? Times that by the the number of external systems you rely on and you start seeing why we outsource that stuff in the first place.
    - rglullis 3y ago
      Hosting and running my gitea server costs me less money than a github subscription, and I spend less time at all compared to the time GH had outages this year. And I can take part of the "savings" and contribute to gitea's further development.

waihtis 3y ago

Problem is, this is one of 50 things that can go wrong for which you should have a robust backup plan for

asdff 3y ago
It's amazing how many of these issues can be obviated by taking a step back at a given SAAS, asking can I self host this, then if you can and need redundancy to just buy two desktops and stick one in your place and another in your friends apartment in another town. With a lightweight static site, a modern desktop is probably more than powerful enough to deal with most any load you might realistically see for your given project. You are also extremely unlikely to have both of these desktops go down at once if they are on different local power grids and internet service providers, short of invasion of the continental U.S. perhaps.
- pixl97 3y ago
  So how do you keep data synced between them in a manner that ensures the data is safe? Now you're playing security sysadmin, and you're playing backup administrator, and your playing hardware admin (did you use 2 SSDs bought at the same time?). You don't ever escape the payment cost of the issues of keeping these systems running. You're paying staff to do it, you're paying a cloud provider to do this, or you're paying out of your own time.
  - asdff 3y ago
    If these things were so insurmountable, the early internet would not have existed at all. Yet it did and still does in many corners, which stands to reason that you can do these things too.
    - pixl97 3y ago
      This is where I quote a Narina meme and say "Don't quote the old magic to me..." You're engaging in survivorship bias. One of my first 'social' media/forum accounts accounts was lost when the admin of the site dropped the user table from a database, and had to go back to everyone online and ask for people to mail in about their accounts. I never bothered to set it back up. Piles of other smaller sites disappeared for similar reasons. If you completely ignore all that, then yea the old internet was fine. Oh, and that these days hackers are highly motivated to encrypt all your crap for bitcoin. Typically big sites don't disappear because they depend on separation of duties between different teams doing their responsibilities. For example, knowing how backups work and making sure they are working every day.
    - reidjs 3y ago
      It’s not insurmountable, just there’s no point in adding that risk to most projects. Would you rather tell your boss so and so failed because of a news-worthy GitHub incident or so and so failed because all 3 backups of your own DIY service were taken down by some extremely unlikely (but not impossible) chain of events?
layer8 3y ago
If you’re using 50 things requiring separate backup plans, and you aren’t large enough that it’s also no problem to organize backup plans for those 50 things, you’re doing something wrong, I’d say.
- waihtis 3y ago
  just exaggerating as usual

verve_rat 3y ago

Or, just take the rest of the day off? The world will still be there after the weekend.

rglullis 3y ago
yesterday I couldn't set up a bunch of servers that I needed provisioned and cloudflare's API had an outage. Today if I were using github, my day would be wasted again. For all the talk about companies trying to cut out on meetings by putting a sticker price to it (this 30 minute meeting could've been an email and cost $2000), at what point do we start saying "this outage could've been avoided and cost us $5k"?
- verve_rat 3y ago
  Avoided how, by spending $50,000? Times that by the the number of external systems you rely on and you start seeing why we outsource that stuff in the first place.
  - rglullis 3y ago
    Hosting and running my gitea server costs me less money than a github subscription, and I spend less time at all compared to the time GH had outages this year. And I can take part of the "savings" and contribute to gitea's further development.