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There is an angle here that doesn’t get talked about because it is often misconstrued as “racist”. In every old world society, your ethnicity is a big part of

There is an angle here that doesn’t get talked about because it is often misconstrued as “racist”. In every old world society, your ethnicity is a big part of identity. This is how nations come to be exist in most cases. There are few places where this is not true and two successful examples are the USA and Canada. Any time one points out that the cornerstone of US and Canadian society is inclusion, it is shouted down. Meanwhile, the reverse point is ignored in discussions about the old world. France has a problem with integrating muslims because they are not seen as “French”, despite what many well-meaning french people may claim. Identity in countries like France, Sweden etc is build around ethnicity and you cannot change your ethnicity. I say all this because THIS is at the heart of crime statistics. Obviously, it is a complex issue that spans poverty, exclusions etc but at the heart is that old world society is constructed around ethnicity.

lm28469 3y ago
> France has a problem with integrating muslims because they are not seen as “French” It works the other way too, here you have the king of Morocco saying Moroccans will _never_ integrate in French society: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0e8r0bVXL8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0e8r0bVXL8 Funny that you talk of "muslims" and "French" after talking about "nations", it already gives a key parameter to understand the situation... There are plenty of muslim immigrants that are fully integrated, they even lament the failure of the French state to control immigrations and solve the migrant crime issues, they're the first ones to denounce islamism. > Identity in countries like France, Sweden etc is build around ethnicity and you cannot change your ethnicity. You don't know much about France then... we had many immigration waves, from Poland to Portugal, Italy, Maghreb, Vietnam, &c. only a small minority of one of these, a very specific one, creates issues. And it's the same all over Europe... despite each EU country being widely different...

lm28469 3y ago

> France has a problem with integrating muslims because they are not seen as “French” It works the other way too, here you have the king of Morocco saying Moroccans will _never_ integrate in French society: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0e8r0bVXL8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0e8r0bVXL8 Funny that you talk of "muslims" and "French" after talking about "nations", it already gives a key parameter to understand the situation... There are plenty of muslim immigrants that are fully integrated, they even lament the failure of the French state to control immigrations and solve the migrant crime issues, they're the first ones to denounce islamism. > Identity in countries like France, Sweden etc is build around ethnicity and you cannot change your ethnicity. You don't know much about France then... we had many immigration waves, from Poland to Portugal, Italy, Maghreb, Vietnam, &c. only a small minority of one of these, a very specific one, creates issues. And it's the same all over Europe... despite each EU country being widely different...