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I love Kitboda's videos. The one thing that strikes me all the time is how arrogant, smug, full of themselves these scammers always sound. They do profoundly be

I love Kitboda's videos. The one thing that strikes me all the time is how arrogant, smug, full of themselves these scammers always sound. They do profoundly believe they're oh-so-intelligent and don't hesitate to make fun of the old people they (think they) are speaking to. Despicable scum of this earth. Thanks to Kitboga for fighting the good fight and it's great to see banks and crypto-exchanges immediately freezing the accounts reported by Kitboga.

williamcotton 3y ago
Arrogant and smug to one, a confident man to another!
netsharc 3y ago
In regards to the arrogance... I imagine they have to be like that in order to be able to sleep at night, they justify the scamming by saying (mostly to themselves) things like the West stole from the developing countries, so this is them stealing back, and they have to believe the victims deserve it so they can, I repeat, sleep at night. Another justification might be "Look at this stupid moron, I won't feel bad stealing from them because someone would inevitably do, since they're so dumb!", i.e. they have to believe the victims are dumb in order to convince themselves of the previous sentence. Maybe it's a chicken and egg issue though, maybe only scumbag jerkoffs are attracted to this kind of scam-call-center work. Then again maybe most humans are easily manipulable that they go into such a call-center being a decent person and enter into a Stanford Prison Experiment situation...
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  They scam many many people all day every day, why wouldn't they get arrogant about it? your explanation seems overly complicated.
  - jwilber 3y ago
    I think they’re speculating about the sort of person who is drawn to that sort of job, how they justify that line of work, etc.
- lstamour 3y ago
  The Stanford Prison Experiment reveals a lot about decent people being easily manipulated - and by that I mean the whole thing has since been revealed as fraudulent: https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-exper...
  - hattmall 3y ago
    Were these studies never replicated?
    - slikrick 3y ago
      how could they be?
    - coryfklein 3y ago
      They were not. The Stanford Prison Experiment used to be a case study on people following orders and fulfilling assigned roles, and now it's the case study for the problem of the replication crisis.
      - mensetmanusman 3y ago
        Didn’t they ban attempts to replicate because of violence?
        mcpackieh 3y ago
        It wasn't an experiment in the first place, it was a political stunt with a predetermined outcome. All the participants were coached in the political implications of the stunt and told how they should behave. Psychology departments present it to undergrads as a legitimate experiment with some ethical issues because their discipline is a pseudoscience (or if you're inclined to be generous, a humanity masquerading as science.)
        drjasonharrison 3y ago
        There isn't a specific ban on replicating the Stanford Prison experiment but instead a ban because it would violate current ethical codes for experiments, that any information gathered through a replication would not be generalizable. Here is one discussion: https://www.verywellmind.com/the-stanford-prison-experiment-2794995 https://www.verywellmind.com/the-stanford-prison-experiment-... In other words, while the experiment appeared to demonstrate interesting things, those conclusions are based on the specifics of the experimental setup and it would be better to study more representative environments to draw useful conclusions. From the above discussion: "The Stanford Prison Experiment is frequently cited as an example of unethical research. The experiment could not be replicated by researchers today because it fails to meet the standards established by numerous ethical codes, including the Ethics Code of the American Psychological Association." And the APA ethics code: https://www.apa.org/ethics/code https://www.apa.org/ethics/code "Psychologists strive to benefit those with whom they work and take care to do no harm" "8.07 Deception in Research (a) Psychologists do not conduct a study involving deception unless they have determined that the use of deceptive techniques is justified by the study's significant prospective scientific, educational, or applied value and that effective nondeceptive alternative procedures are not feasible. (b) Psychologists do not deceive prospective participants about research that is reasonably expected to cause physical pain or severe emotional distress."
- JaDogg 3y ago
  Yes, they definitely believe the West stole their money. This is what you hear every day from government propaganda (based on personal experience; refer to my other comment on the original post). Breaking out of propaganda is not a simple task for any individual. While the West may have colonized these countries in the past, it is the government and corruption that are currently responsible for the theft. Moreover, people from these countries are exposed to scams from as early as 5-10 years old. Eventually, this exposure leads to normalization, I believe. As a side note, I believe one of the worst outcomes of colonization is that these countries lost their monarchies and lacked a natural progression to diplomacy. The only way for these countries to develop and reduce corruption is through educated youth engaging in politics and joining political parties to a degree where they dilute corruption, similar to how acid is diluted.
  - FrenchDevRemote 3y ago
    Believe? Propaganda? Did you ever have a single history lesson in your life? Where do you think Afro-americans came from? Why do you think half the continent is speaking french or English? Why do you think 14 African countries use a money created and still controlled by France? Plenty of mines and oil depots are still profiting European countries. Multiple generations of slave descendants had to pay reparations to France. Leopold II was chopping hands off Congolese people for rubber.
    - JaDogg 3y ago
      >>> Believe? Propaganda? I'm fairly certain I was discussing scammers. However, I admit my phrasing wasn't as good as I had hoped. Unfortunately, I come from a former colony (Sri Lanka) and English is not my native language. I apologize if my words triggered any PTSD or brought back unpleasant memories for you. I never stated that what they believe is wrong or inaccurate. The idea is not to scam the West, but rather to work hard so that the West becomes envious. (India recently achieved a milestone by reaching the moon, which stirred jealousy and anger among many people; it was amusing to witness.) >>> Did you ever have a single history lesson in your life? Yes, surprisingly, the Sri Lankan syllabus (which constantly changes with each political party shift) did not cover much about Africa or black slaves. >>> Where do you think Afro-americans came from? Clearly, they originated from Africa. >>> Why do you think half the continent is speaking french or English? Colonization. >>> Why do you think 14 African countries use a money created and still controlled by France? Do not know. What is being done to combat this? >>> Plenty of mines and oil depots are still profiting European countries. Certainly, I agree. >>> Multiple generations of slave descendants had to pay reparations to France. Yes, I agree. >>> Leopold II was chopping hands off Congolese people for rubber. Fair point. --- I'm still not sure why historical atrocities matter. Constant talk about the bad past only serves to victimize people, making them unable to achieve their full potential. Don't waste time dwelling on the past; it's called the past for a reason.
- rickreynoldssf 3y ago
  No, 99.9% of them are just scum of the earth criminals. They don't give a shit about who they're scamming.
- lbrito 3y ago
  What? That's a ridiculous, patronizing, borderline racist comment. Most of the scammers in the video had thick accents, but if from that you conclude that scammers in general are "non western", that's at best a dumb conclusion, at worst a racist one. I don't know details of Kitboga's scammers' demographics, but there is no logical reason to assume the proportion of scammers in the West is any different than in other places of the world. This is really the kind of absurdly tone deaf, entitled comment that turns me off the most in HN - West uber alles.
  - spacechild1 3y ago
    > but there is no logical reason to assume the proportion of scammers in the West is any different than in other places of the world. Most tech support spam calls come from India. That's just a fact. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/cna-insider/tech-support-scam-baiters-india-call-centre-big-money-2876366 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/cna-insider/tech-support-sca... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/27/magazine/scam-call-centers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/27/magazine/scam-call-center...
    - lbrito 3y ago
      Please look up the population of India, then re-read my comment, paying attention to one word in particular: proportion.
      - spacechild1 3y ago
        Even when taking population size into account, India is still vastly overrepresented compared to other countries. Of course, tech support scams are just one particular kind of scam. Nobody is arguing that India has the largest percentage of scammers in general.
        lbrito 3y ago
        >Nobody is arguing that India has the largest percentage of scammers in general. That is _exactly_ the spirit of what the parent comment was implying: >they justify the scamming by saying (mostly to themselves) things like the West stole from the developing countries, so this is them stealing back That comment doesn't specify India, but is definitively a blanket statement that (most) scammers are from those filthy, no-good third-world, non-Western countries, and justify their dirty third-worldly scams as a "revenge against the West". Its a sad, racist non-argument. Quite depressing that it isn't greytexted into oblivion.
ge96 3y ago
Jim Browning (like a kitboga) too
jrace 3y ago
I have taken quite the disadian for these scanners after the took advantage of my aunt. Since then when I get calls I keep them on the line to stope them from at least scamming one other person. I have had three on long enough to actually answer the question I ask "Why would you scam a poor little old lady?" All three answered the same: "You people in the west are rich and don't deserve it."
pixl97 3y ago
>The one thing that strikes me all the time is how arrogant, smug, full of themselves these scammers always sound. You're reversing causation... Humans as a whole are more apt to follow people that sound confident. Therefore as a scammer, if you want to boost your success rate you need to sound confident. The scammer never wants you to doubt their ability, but they want you to constantly doubt your own.
kumarvvr 3y ago
For maximum probability of success, the scammers have to threaten, scream and shout. The most vulnerable of the victims respond to this. If they were timid and accommodating, the call would most likely end up as "let me check with my bank and get back to you. Thank you"

williamcotton 3y ago

Arrogant and smug to one, a confident man to another!

netsharc 3y ago

In regards to the arrogance... I imagine they have to be like that in order to be able to sleep at night, they justify the scamming by saying (mostly to themselves) things like the West stole from the developing countries, so this is them stealing back, and they have to believe the victims deserve it so they can, I repeat, sleep at night. Another justification might be "Look at this stupid moron, I won't feel bad stealing from them because someone would inevitably do, since they're so dumb!", i.e. they have to believe the victims are dumb in order to convince themselves of the previous sentence. Maybe it's a chicken and egg issue though, maybe only scumbag jerkoffs are attracted to this kind of scam-call-center work. Then again maybe most humans are easily manipulable that they go into such a call-center being a decent person and enter into a Stanford Prison Experiment situation...

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
They scam many many people all day every day, why wouldn't they get arrogant about it? your explanation seems overly complicated.
- jwilber 3y ago
  I think they’re speculating about the sort of person who is drawn to that sort of job, how they justify that line of work, etc.
lstamour 3y ago
The Stanford Prison Experiment reveals a lot about decent people being easily manipulated - and by that I mean the whole thing has since been revealed as fraudulent: https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-exper...
- hattmall 3y ago
  Were these studies never replicated?
  - slikrick 3y ago
    how could they be?
  - coryfklein 3y ago
    They were not. The Stanford Prison Experiment used to be a case study on people following orders and fulfilling assigned roles, and now it's the case study for the problem of the replication crisis.
    - mensetmanusman 3y ago
      Didn’t they ban attempts to replicate because of violence?
      - mcpackieh 3y ago
        It wasn't an experiment in the first place, it was a political stunt with a predetermined outcome. All the participants were coached in the political implications of the stunt and told how they should behave. Psychology departments present it to undergrads as a legitimate experiment with some ethical issues because their discipline is a pseudoscience (or if you're inclined to be generous, a humanity masquerading as science.)
      - drjasonharrison 3y ago
        There isn't a specific ban on replicating the Stanford Prison experiment but instead a ban because it would violate current ethical codes for experiments, that any information gathered through a replication would not be generalizable. Here is one discussion: https://www.verywellmind.com/the-stanford-prison-experiment-2794995 https://www.verywellmind.com/the-stanford-prison-experiment-... In other words, while the experiment appeared to demonstrate interesting things, those conclusions are based on the specifics of the experimental setup and it would be better to study more representative environments to draw useful conclusions. From the above discussion: "The Stanford Prison Experiment is frequently cited as an example of unethical research. The experiment could not be replicated by researchers today because it fails to meet the standards established by numerous ethical codes, including the Ethics Code of the American Psychological Association." And the APA ethics code: https://www.apa.org/ethics/code https://www.apa.org/ethics/code "Psychologists strive to benefit those with whom they work and take care to do no harm" "8.07 Deception in Research (a) Psychologists do not conduct a study involving deception unless they have determined that the use of deceptive techniques is justified by the study's significant prospective scientific, educational, or applied value and that effective nondeceptive alternative procedures are not feasible. (b) Psychologists do not deceive prospective participants about research that is reasonably expected to cause physical pain or severe emotional distress."
JaDogg 3y ago
Yes, they definitely believe the West stole their money. This is what you hear every day from government propaganda (based on personal experience; refer to my other comment on the original post). Breaking out of propaganda is not a simple task for any individual. While the West may have colonized these countries in the past, it is the government and corruption that are currently responsible for the theft. Moreover, people from these countries are exposed to scams from as early as 5-10 years old. Eventually, this exposure leads to normalization, I believe. As a side note, I believe one of the worst outcomes of colonization is that these countries lost their monarchies and lacked a natural progression to diplomacy. The only way for these countries to develop and reduce corruption is through educated youth engaging in politics and joining political parties to a degree where they dilute corruption, similar to how acid is diluted.
- FrenchDevRemote 3y ago
  Believe? Propaganda? Did you ever have a single history lesson in your life? Where do you think Afro-americans came from? Why do you think half the continent is speaking french or English? Why do you think 14 African countries use a money created and still controlled by France? Plenty of mines and oil depots are still profiting European countries. Multiple generations of slave descendants had to pay reparations to France. Leopold II was chopping hands off Congolese people for rubber.
  - JaDogg 3y ago
    >>> Believe? Propaganda? I'm fairly certain I was discussing scammers. However, I admit my phrasing wasn't as good as I had hoped. Unfortunately, I come from a former colony (Sri Lanka) and English is not my native language. I apologize if my words triggered any PTSD or brought back unpleasant memories for you. I never stated that what they believe is wrong or inaccurate. The idea is not to scam the West, but rather to work hard so that the West becomes envious. (India recently achieved a milestone by reaching the moon, which stirred jealousy and anger among many people; it was amusing to witness.) >>> Did you ever have a single history lesson in your life? Yes, surprisingly, the Sri Lankan syllabus (which constantly changes with each political party shift) did not cover much about Africa or black slaves. >>> Where do you think Afro-americans came from? Clearly, they originated from Africa. >>> Why do you think half the continent is speaking french or English? Colonization. >>> Why do you think 14 African countries use a money created and still controlled by France? Do not know. What is being done to combat this? >>> Plenty of mines and oil depots are still profiting European countries. Certainly, I agree. >>> Multiple generations of slave descendants had to pay reparations to France. Yes, I agree. >>> Leopold II was chopping hands off Congolese people for rubber. Fair point. --- I'm still not sure why historical atrocities matter. Constant talk about the bad past only serves to victimize people, making them unable to achieve their full potential. Don't waste time dwelling on the past; it's called the past for a reason.
rickreynoldssf 3y ago
No, 99.9% of them are just scum of the earth criminals. They don't give a shit about who they're scamming.
lbrito 3y ago
What? That's a ridiculous, patronizing, borderline racist comment. Most of the scammers in the video had thick accents, but if from that you conclude that scammers in general are "non western", that's at best a dumb conclusion, at worst a racist one. I don't know details of Kitboga's scammers' demographics, but there is no logical reason to assume the proportion of scammers in the West is any different than in other places of the world. This is really the kind of absurdly tone deaf, entitled comment that turns me off the most in HN - West uber alles.
- spacechild1 3y ago
  > but there is no logical reason to assume the proportion of scammers in the West is any different than in other places of the world. Most tech support spam calls come from India. That's just a fact. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/cna-insider/tech-support-scam-baiters-india-call-centre-big-money-2876366 https://www.channelnewsasia.com/cna-insider/tech-support-sca... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/27/magazine/scam-call-centers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/27/magazine/scam-call-center...
  - lbrito 3y ago
    Please look up the population of India, then re-read my comment, paying attention to one word in particular: proportion.
    - spacechild1 3y ago
      Even when taking population size into account, India is still vastly overrepresented compared to other countries. Of course, tech support scams are just one particular kind of scam. Nobody is arguing that India has the largest percentage of scammers in general.
      - lbrito 3y ago
        >Nobody is arguing that India has the largest percentage of scammers in general. That is _exactly_ the spirit of what the parent comment was implying: >they justify the scamming by saying (mostly to themselves) things like the West stole from the developing countries, so this is them stealing back That comment doesn't specify India, but is definitively a blanket statement that (most) scammers are from those filthy, no-good third-world, non-Western countries, and justify their dirty third-worldly scams as a "revenge against the West". Its a sad, racist non-argument. Quite depressing that it isn't greytexted into oblivion.

ge96 3y ago

Jim Browning (like a kitboga) too

jrace 3y ago

I have taken quite the disadian for these scanners after the took advantage of my aunt. Since then when I get calls I keep them on the line to stope them from at least scamming one other person. I have had three on long enough to actually answer the question I ask "Why would you scam a poor little old lady?" All three answered the same: "You people in the west are rich and don't deserve it."

pixl97 3y ago

>The one thing that strikes me all the time is how arrogant, smug, full of themselves these scammers always sound. You're reversing causation... Humans as a whole are more apt to follow people that sound confident. Therefore as a scammer, if you want to boost your success rate you need to sound confident. The scammer never wants you to doubt their ability, but they want you to constantly doubt your own.

kumarvvr 3y ago

For maximum probability of success, the scammers have to threaten, scream and shout. The most vulnerable of the victims respond to this. If they were timid and accommodating, the call would most likely end up as "let me check with my bank and get back to you. Thank you"