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Have you ever actually tried driving decent large monitors from those crappy intel chips? I have. Engineering tradeoffs indeed. For all its flaws, Apple focu

Have you ever actually tried driving decent large monitors from those crappy intel chips? I have. Engineering tradeoffs indeed. For all its flaws, Apple focuses on making sure there is a good experience overall. In general, they'd rather have a more limited hardware ecosystem that works better than a broad ecosystem that's flaky. There are tradeoffs to both approaches. I go back and forth between windows and mac, and have for decades. I was a surfacebook/win10/WSL guy for a few years, and liked it a lot. Win 11? Not so much. Currently the M series chips blows any PC laptop away for the combination of portability/performance/battery. The Snapdragon X might change that in the next couple years, and I'll take a look at switching back then, and see what win 12 offers. If MS decides to take a step back from being an ad-serving platform and goes back to focusing on productivity, I may switch back. For now though, I'm planning on accepting the gut punch to my wallet and picking up a 14" M3 Max in a few weeks.

wubrr 3y ago
> Have you ever actually tried driving decent large monitors from those crappy intel chips? Yes, I regularly drive my monitors with 1 intel laptop and/or 1 amd laptop (modern ones, linux). Not a single issue ever. I plug in my work m2 pro mac to these same monitors - constant issues. > For all its flaws, Apple focuses on making sure there is a good experience overall. MacOS has had dozens of well-know, well-documented bugs for years that haven't been addressed, many of them mentioned in this thread. I don't see any focus from Apple on these whatsoever - their main focus seems to be advertising and visual design.
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d3w4s9 3y ago
I have done dual external monitor setup for years on Intel and AMD laptops without any issues. The standard setup at my company is a ThinkPad connected to dual 27" monitor. My company has thousand of employees. (Mac setup is also available for those who requests.) Many many companies offer a similar setup for employees. Maybe you need a reality check first.
- claytongulick 3y ago
  > Maybe you need a reality check first. Thanks for the kindness, I had my first laptop (PC) in the mid 80s, and have been writing software on various hardware configurations for 30 years, so maybe I just need a bit more reality I guess? > The standard setup at my company is a ThinkPad connected to dual 27" monitors No one claimed that dual monitors isn't possible. Running two 4k large, high quality monitors off a low-end Intel integrated video controller at 120hz is going to be harder. Apple is focused on higher-end experience, always has been. They're not a great choice if you're looking for standard enterprise arrangements. You can go into pretty much any bank or office and see the kinds of setups that you're talking about. You can also see the flicker and wince at the eye-strain. This is a silly discussion.
  - wubrr 3y ago
    > I had my first laptop (PC) in the mid 80s, and have been writing software on various hardware configurations for 30 years, so maybe I just need a bit more reality I guess? Yes, sounds like you've been drinking apple koolaid and fanboying over bullshit for 40 years. > This is a silly discussion. What's silly is reading through comments of multiple people discussing actual issues they face with macs, completely ignoring what's said, and then claiming 'apple is focused on higher-end experience' based on nothing but your own anecdotal experience and imagination.
    - claytongulick 3y ago
      > Yes, sounds like you've been drinking apple koolaid and fanboying over bullshit for 40 years I mentioned that I switch back and forth between PC and Mac, depending on what's better at the time - so you're pretty far off the mark. Regardless, why are you responding with such anger and venom? > What's silly is ... I'd like to suggest that you take a moment to reflect on how you treat others. Even a stranger online. I notice that your account is 59 days old, so maybe you're new to the HN community. This community frowns on personal attacks, we try to focus on comments that are informative and add to the discussion. I recommend reviewing the comment guidelines [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

wubrr 3y ago

> Have you ever actually tried driving decent large monitors from those crappy intel chips? Yes, I regularly drive my monitors with 1 intel laptop and/or 1 amd laptop (modern ones, linux). Not a single issue ever. I plug in my work m2 pro mac to these same monitors - constant issues. > For all its flaws, Apple focuses on making sure there is a good experience overall. MacOS has had dozens of well-know, well-documented bugs for years that haven't been addressed, many of them mentioned in this thread. I don't see any focus from Apple on these whatsoever - their main focus seems to be advertising and visual design.

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d3w4s9 3y ago

I have done dual external monitor setup for years on Intel and AMD laptops without any issues. The standard setup at my company is a ThinkPad connected to dual 27" monitor. My company has thousand of employees. (Mac setup is also available for those who requests.) Many many companies offer a similar setup for employees. Maybe you need a reality check first.

claytongulick 3y ago
> Maybe you need a reality check first. Thanks for the kindness, I had my first laptop (PC) in the mid 80s, and have been writing software on various hardware configurations for 30 years, so maybe I just need a bit more reality I guess? > The standard setup at my company is a ThinkPad connected to dual 27" monitors No one claimed that dual monitors isn't possible. Running two 4k large, high quality monitors off a low-end Intel integrated video controller at 120hz is going to be harder. Apple is focused on higher-end experience, always has been. They're not a great choice if you're looking for standard enterprise arrangements. You can go into pretty much any bank or office and see the kinds of setups that you're talking about. You can also see the flicker and wince at the eye-strain. This is a silly discussion.
- wubrr 3y ago
  > I had my first laptop (PC) in the mid 80s, and have been writing software on various hardware configurations for 30 years, so maybe I just need a bit more reality I guess? Yes, sounds like you've been drinking apple koolaid and fanboying over bullshit for 40 years. > This is a silly discussion. What's silly is reading through comments of multiple people discussing actual issues they face with macs, completely ignoring what's said, and then claiming 'apple is focused on higher-end experience' based on nothing but your own anecdotal experience and imagination.
  - claytongulick 3y ago
    > Yes, sounds like you've been drinking apple koolaid and fanboying over bullshit for 40 years I mentioned that I switch back and forth between PC and Mac, depending on what's better at the time - so you're pretty far off the mark. Regardless, why are you responding with such anger and venom? > What's silly is ... I'd like to suggest that you take a moment to reflect on how you treat others. Even a stranger online. I notice that your account is 59 days old, so maybe you're new to the HN community. This community frowns on personal attacks, we try to focus on comments that are informative and add to the discussion. I recommend reviewing the comment guidelines [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html