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> > You can spend your time running around nursing the sick, cooking them soup, hoping that they recover. Or you can use the same energy to design a water treat

> > You can spend your time running around nursing the sick, cooking them soup, hoping that they recover. Or you can use the same energy to design a water treatment plant / sewer / aquaduct and prevent the spread of the disease in the first place. I believe you need both the first responders and those who plan for the wider state of the emergency. What I mean is that the so called effective altruists are a minority who cannot extract satisfaction from the work of first responders but want to have the same glory and recognition as they do, but given that it's not something spontaneous from those who are being helped (as they show gratitude to the first responders not the head of Foundation) they have to go to great lenghts to create these publicity and propaganda fueled philosophical currents, effective altruism being one of them. It's not something new it's been around for a long time before effective altruism emerged, and specifically in the form of prizes such as Key of the city for philantropic work Philantropist of the year Biggest philantropic donation of the year Nobel Peace Prize etc etc

krisoft 3y ago
You have a very dark view of effective alturist. I know a few people who describe themselves as such and none of them are this twisted “cannot extract satisfaction from the work of first responders but want to have the same glory and recognition as they do” person. They are just regular people with analytical minds. They would like good things to happen and they also recognise that resources are finite thus they ask how it is best to spend the finite resources to achieve the best bang for the buck. That is basically the only comonality among them. Whatever machiavellian machinations you subscribe to them doesn’t seem to match my preceived reality.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  > > I know a few people who describe themselves as such and none of them are this twisted “cannot extract satisfaction from the work of first responders but want to have the same glory and recognition as they do” But if you read my comment what I said is not just limited to effective altruism which is the new kid on the block , I have a similar feelings for all the other stuff that I mentioned including the Nobel Peace Prize. It's like sports, nobody cheers for the owner of the franchise or gets excited about meeting them or the General Manager, it's all about the players. That's the reason why certain owners and General Managers do lots of media and outreach to propagate their cult and get some love from the fanbase.
  - krisoft 3y ago
    I understand what you are saying. There are rich people who have lot of money and wants to exchange some of that money to "legitimacy". They don't want to be just known as the rich dude, but as the "cool" rich dude. It's a thing. It was a thing forever ago and will be a thing for the foreseeable future. I understand that. Where I think you go wrong is that you tar and feather everyone associated with effective altruism with that image. Do you want to say that rich people washing their consciousness with effective altruism is dubious? I agree with you on that. But what your words are saying is that everyone associated with effective altruism is dubious, and that is simply not true.

krisoft 3y ago

You have a very dark view of effective alturist. I know a few people who describe themselves as such and none of them are this twisted “cannot extract satisfaction from the work of first responders but want to have the same glory and recognition as they do” person. They are just regular people with analytical minds. They would like good things to happen and they also recognise that resources are finite thus they ask how it is best to spend the finite resources to achieve the best bang for the buck. That is basically the only comonality among them. Whatever machiavellian machinations you subscribe to them doesn’t seem to match my preceived reality.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
> > I know a few people who describe themselves as such and none of them are this twisted “cannot extract satisfaction from the work of first responders but want to have the same glory and recognition as they do” But if you read my comment what I said is not just limited to effective altruism which is the new kid on the block , I have a similar feelings for all the other stuff that I mentioned including the Nobel Peace Prize. It's like sports, nobody cheers for the owner of the franchise or gets excited about meeting them or the General Manager, it's all about the players. That's the reason why certain owners and General Managers do lots of media and outreach to propagate their cult and get some love from the fanbase.
- krisoft 3y ago
  I understand what you are saying. There are rich people who have lot of money and wants to exchange some of that money to "legitimacy". They don't want to be just known as the rich dude, but as the "cool" rich dude. It's a thing. It was a thing forever ago and will be a thing for the foreseeable future. I understand that. Where I think you go wrong is that you tar and feather everyone associated with effective altruism with that image. Do you want to say that rich people washing their consciousness with effective altruism is dubious? I agree with you on that. But what your words are saying is that everyone associated with effective altruism is dubious, and that is simply not true.