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Most of the negative things that can happen to a business aren't covered by uncle sam. Broadband and computers make it easier to transmit an unverifiable asser

Most of the negative things that can happen to a business aren't covered by uncle sam. Broadband and computers make it easier to transmit an unverifiable assertion prepared wholly by one side. The way you verify this is you have a human being listen to both sides. Without this we wouldn't capture - failure to keep proper records - recording the payment in the wrong account - inappropriate or illegal charges - rent being legally withheld - lost or stolen money orders including stolen by employees of landlord - disputes over whom was supposed to get paid in situations where custody of property was disputed - malicious lies Again its pretty clear that your accommodations for the night and your home ought to be treated substantially differently. For 36% of American households their home is the linchpin of their life and livelihood. I don't think we ought to undermine a process essential to the lives of tens of millions of people to help out a couple of hundreds of low rent hoteliers deal with squatters. We already normally deal with hotel guests who won't leave substantially different then tenants in most states usually by establishing a threshold beyond which one goes from A -> B and a simple process by which one removes unwanted guests different from the process to remove tenants. I do have to wonder if complainants are dealing with situations arising effectively providing long term housing in fact if not in law eg slum level accommodations rented cheaply by the week or if the process of removing non-paying guests in hotels in your state is just well and truly broken and instead of fixing it you are suggesting breaking the process which tens of millions rely on instead for the benefit of mere dozens of hoteliers

lotsofpulp 3y ago
> Broadband and computers make it easier to transmit an unverifiable assertion prepared wholly by one side. The way you verify this is you have a human being listen to both sides. And this should not take months. Otherwise, all this technology society has developed is all for nought. You can literally take a laptop or phone into court and login to bank accounts to prove payment. If someone wants to bribe or hack into bank servers and commit fraud, then obviously we can get higher powers involved at that point. > I don't think we ought to undermine a process essential to the lives of tens of millions of people to help out a couple of hundreds of low rent hoteliers deal with squatters. I agree, and the government should pay for it, not “a couple of hundred low rent hoteliers” (not sure what purpose the denigrating adjective serves, as if a business providing lower priced services is somehow bad for society). > instead of fixing it you are suggesting breaking the process which tens of millions rely on instead for the benefit of mere dozens of hoteliers I never suggested “breaking” the process. I suggested fixing the legal system, which is clearly understaffed or overly bureaucratic. And it helps everyone, not just a “few dozen hoteliers”. What you (and current politicians) seem to want is a “few dozen hoteliers” to provide housing for free for the benefit of all taxpayers, allowing you to have lower taxes.
- michaelmrose 3y ago
  > I never suggested “breaking” the process. I suggested fixing the legal system, which is clearly understaffed or overly bureaucratic. That bureaucracy is called process and it exists for reasons that are out of scope of your deadbeats. > I never suggested “breaking” the process. I suggested fixing the legal system, which is clearly understaffed or overly beauricrafic. There is no way to fix the process that would allow you to remove a long term tenant in a week and there isn't a political will to sink millions to billions into staff to allow such matters to be handle them much more expeditiously. Society wouldn't experience a net gain and has finite resources. > not sure what purpose the denigrating adjective serves It serves to identify the nature of the problem. You have a problem in that you are offering long term tenancy to people who don't qualify for long term tenancy other places. You are trying to do that by pretending its short term tenancy and are frustrated that the rules of long term tenancy applies. Instead of calling the cops to roust a trespassing guest who didn't pay for this 3rd day you are having to evict folks who can't or wont pay after months or years. You have deliberately adopted a known broken niche and in a way are providing a valuable service to society and are pissed that society neither wants to fix the niche nor acknowledge that value.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    > There is no way to fix the process that would allow you to remove a long term tenant in a week and there isn't a political will to sink millions to billions into staff to allow such matters to be handle them much more expeditiously. Society wouldn't experience a net gain and has finite resources. So then society can pay the rent if it is determined that the tenant is not paying. Problem fixed. The reason this does not happen is because society wants to get away with sticking certain subsets of the population with the cost who don’t have the political capital to fight it.
    - michaelmrose 3y ago
      This is untenable it would incentivize landlords in your position to carry nonpayers indefinitely at everyone's expense. All your problems aren't societies to fix.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

> Broadband and computers make it easier to transmit an unverifiable assertion prepared wholly by one side. The way you verify this is you have a human being listen to both sides. And this should not take months. Otherwise, all this technology society has developed is all for nought. You can literally take a laptop or phone into court and login to bank accounts to prove payment. If someone wants to bribe or hack into bank servers and commit fraud, then obviously we can get higher powers involved at that point. > I don't think we ought to undermine a process essential to the lives of tens of millions of people to help out a couple of hundreds of low rent hoteliers deal with squatters. I agree, and the government should pay for it, not “a couple of hundred low rent hoteliers” (not sure what purpose the denigrating adjective serves, as if a business providing lower priced services is somehow bad for society). > instead of fixing it you are suggesting breaking the process which tens of millions rely on instead for the benefit of mere dozens of hoteliers I never suggested “breaking” the process. I suggested fixing the legal system, which is clearly understaffed or overly bureaucratic. And it helps everyone, not just a “few dozen hoteliers”. What you (and current politicians) seem to want is a “few dozen hoteliers” to provide housing for free for the benefit of all taxpayers, allowing you to have lower taxes.

michaelmrose 3y ago
> I never suggested “breaking” the process. I suggested fixing the legal system, which is clearly understaffed or overly bureaucratic. That bureaucracy is called process and it exists for reasons that are out of scope of your deadbeats. > I never suggested “breaking” the process. I suggested fixing the legal system, which is clearly understaffed or overly beauricrafic. There is no way to fix the process that would allow you to remove a long term tenant in a week and there isn't a political will to sink millions to billions into staff to allow such matters to be handle them much more expeditiously. Society wouldn't experience a net gain and has finite resources. > not sure what purpose the denigrating adjective serves It serves to identify the nature of the problem. You have a problem in that you are offering long term tenancy to people who don't qualify for long term tenancy other places. You are trying to do that by pretending its short term tenancy and are frustrated that the rules of long term tenancy applies. Instead of calling the cops to roust a trespassing guest who didn't pay for this 3rd day you are having to evict folks who can't or wont pay after months or years. You have deliberately adopted a known broken niche and in a way are providing a valuable service to society and are pissed that society neither wants to fix the niche nor acknowledge that value.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  > There is no way to fix the process that would allow you to remove a long term tenant in a week and there isn't a political will to sink millions to billions into staff to allow such matters to be handle them much more expeditiously. Society wouldn't experience a net gain and has finite resources. So then society can pay the rent if it is determined that the tenant is not paying. Problem fixed. The reason this does not happen is because society wants to get away with sticking certain subsets of the population with the cost who don’t have the political capital to fight it.
  - michaelmrose 3y ago
    This is untenable it would incentivize landlords in your position to carry nonpayers indefinitely at everyone's expense. All your problems aren't societies to fix.