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Mmm now I want a steak. A properly cooked cowboy ribeye is truly the most delicious food around, and no amount of “education” and “outreach” will convince me ot

by wincy 3y ago

Mmm now I want a steak. A properly cooked cowboy ribeye is truly the most delicious food around, and no amount of “education” and “outreach” will convince me otherwise.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Big fan of cultured meat (I have the occasional annual steak treat but am mostly vegetarian), but I wouldn't mind if someone at the intersection of skilled and obsessed performed a gene drive across the bovine population to prevent reproduction, sunsetting factory farming of that livestock. Existing herds retire out, and we move on to the next problem(s). You're just pulling the far future forward, depending on the trajectories you're looking at.
- wincy 3y ago
  You sound literally insane. You realize that right? You sound like a genocidal megalomaniacal crazy person out of some scifi movie. You’re not Thanos, this opinion is crazy, and it’s not socially acceptable for you to espouse this opinion.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    Big yikes. Your ability to get a ribeye and phasing out a type of livestock is no more genocide than crop rotation or other agriculture policy. You're eating the cows and you're calling not being able to get cows genocide. They're cows! 36 million are slaughtered each year in the US. > Mmm now I want a steak. A properly cooked cowboy ribeye is truly the most delicious food around, and no amount of “education” and “outreach” will convince me otherwise. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7256495/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7256495/ ("Meat consumption: Which are the current global risks? A review of recent (2010–2020) evidences": "It seems evident that human dietary habits regarding meat consumption in general, and red meats and wild meats in particular, should be significantly modified downward, as much and as soon as possible.") https://ffacoalition.org/articles/massive-environmental-impacts/ https://ffacoalition.org/articles/massive-environmental-impa... ("The Massive Impact of Factory Farming on our Environment") https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/13/meat-greenhouses-gases-food-production-study https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/13/meat-gre... ("Meat accounts for nearly 60% of all greenhouse gases from food production, study finds") From The Guardian piece in my top comment: "Beef production is a huge climate crisis driver, and a new study says only a small percentage of the country does most of the eating" In the face of climate change, factory farming, and all of the externalities beef livestock brings (for a luxury animal product), I do not believe I am the crazy one. You might consider reflection on your idea and entitlement that an inability to get a steak is genocide. Read the room and consider who is actually "insane". The human advocating for responsibility? Or the entitled person demanding whatever they please (fearful of "the anti meat lobby" in another comment below [1]). And which mental model got us to a global climate crisis? I challenge you to dig deep and understand how your mindset in aggregate contributes to the problem. The house is on your fire and you're asking to be passed the marshmallows. This thread is so meta with regards to the post, education, and rationalization. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38130741 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38130741
  - RangerScience 3y ago
    You sound literally insane. You realize that right? You sound like a head-in-the-sand nameless crowd extra from a period drama. You have no pearls to clutch, your projection is crazy, and it’s not socially acceptable for you insist on everyone else sharing your worldview. /snark God I hate "you-statements" so much. It's not that every time someone starts a statement with "you" is manipulation, it's just that every time someone goes to manipulate and control someone else, they make a lot of "you-statements". And the statements almost always empty of worthwhile meaning, frequently filled with ad hominem attacks, that make it trivial to just... hold up a mirror, pointing it back at the speaker with barely any modifications. Be better. Especially about things you give a shit about.
    - wincy 3y ago
      It’s not unreasonable. Someone just straight up advocated for releasing a disease to sterilize all of the cattle in the world. This is an objectively crazy thing to say. This doesn’t require careful reasoning or thoughtful consideration. I’m tired of people using rationalization to advocate for horrible evil things. “Being better” means calling out people that are insane, there are deleterious paths of thought that are destructive to society and we shouldn’t entertain them at all. You’re not going to trick me with your “eloquence” and “intellect” and “calls for rationality”. I am being better, and speaking up when I see people talking crazy. Nobody speaking up is how we got into this mess.
      - toomuchtodo 3y ago
        > Someone just straight up advocated for releasing a disease to sterilize all of the cattle in the world. This is an objectively crazy thing to say. "Objectively crazy" is doing a huge amount of lifting in that comment. As someone with a conservative leaving who believes there is an anti meat lobby attempting to brainwash your kids and your right to beef is inalienable, I would ask you strongly consider your position about the control humans have over agriculture and the Overton Window related to that control. We are already using gene editing in production to control our environment. EDIT: > You’re not going to trick me with your “eloquence” and “intellect” and “calls for rationality”. I am being better, and speaking up when I see people talking crazy. Nobody speaking up is how we got into this mess. chef kiss The defense rests. https://www.who.int/news/item/16-05-2023-scientists-in-tahiti-prepare-to-release-sterilized-mosquitoes-to-control-dengue https://www.who.int/news/item/16-05-2023-scientists-in-tahit... https://www.cdc.gov/mosquitoes/mosquito-control/community/emerging-methods/genetically-modified-mosquitoes.html https://www.cdc.gov/mosquitoes/mosquito-control/community/em... https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/health/gmo-mosquitoes-approved-florida-scn-wellness/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/health/gmo-mosquitoes-approve... https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2019.1515 https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2019.151... https://aae.wisc.edu/pdmitchell/2019/10/02/gene-drives-in-wisconsin-agriculture-what-are-they-and-should-you-support-it/ https://aae.wisc.edu/pdmitchell/2019/10/02/gene-drives-in-wi... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/eva.13285 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/eva.13285 https://news.ncsu.edu/2023/06/crispr-gene-drive-could-suppress-ag-pests/ https://news.ncsu.edu/2023/06/crispr-gene-drive-could-suppre...

by wincy 3y ago

Mmm now I want a steak. A properly cooked cowboy ribeye is truly the most delicious food around, and no amount of “education” and “outreach” will convince me otherwise.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

Big fan of cultured meat (I have the occasional annual steak treat but am mostly vegetarian), but I wouldn't mind if someone at the intersection of skilled and obsessed performed a gene drive across the bovine population to prevent reproduction, sunsetting factory farming of that livestock. Existing herds retire out, and we move on to the next problem(s). You're just pulling the far future forward, depending on the trajectories you're looking at.

wincy 3y ago
You sound literally insane. You realize that right? You sound like a genocidal megalomaniacal crazy person out of some scifi movie. You’re not Thanos, this opinion is crazy, and it’s not socially acceptable for you to espouse this opinion.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Big yikes. Your ability to get a ribeye and phasing out a type of livestock is no more genocide than crop rotation or other agriculture policy. You're eating the cows and you're calling not being able to get cows genocide. They're cows! 36 million are slaughtered each year in the US. > Mmm now I want a steak. A properly cooked cowboy ribeye is truly the most delicious food around, and no amount of “education” and “outreach” will convince me otherwise. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7256495/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7256495/ ("Meat consumption: Which are the current global risks? A review of recent (2010–2020) evidences": "It seems evident that human dietary habits regarding meat consumption in general, and red meats and wild meats in particular, should be significantly modified downward, as much and as soon as possible.") https://ffacoalition.org/articles/massive-environmental-impacts/ https://ffacoalition.org/articles/massive-environmental-impa... ("The Massive Impact of Factory Farming on our Environment") https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/13/meat-greenhouses-gases-food-production-study https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/13/meat-gre... ("Meat accounts for nearly 60% of all greenhouse gases from food production, study finds") From The Guardian piece in my top comment: "Beef production is a huge climate crisis driver, and a new study says only a small percentage of the country does most of the eating" In the face of climate change, factory farming, and all of the externalities beef livestock brings (for a luxury animal product), I do not believe I am the crazy one. You might consider reflection on your idea and entitlement that an inability to get a steak is genocide. Read the room and consider who is actually "insane". The human advocating for responsibility? Or the entitled person demanding whatever they please (fearful of "the anti meat lobby" in another comment below [1]). And which mental model got us to a global climate crisis? I challenge you to dig deep and understand how your mindset in aggregate contributes to the problem. The house is on your fire and you're asking to be passed the marshmallows. This thread is so meta with regards to the post, education, and rationalization. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38130741 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38130741
- RangerScience 3y ago
  You sound literally insane. You realize that right? You sound like a head-in-the-sand nameless crowd extra from a period drama. You have no pearls to clutch, your projection is crazy, and it’s not socially acceptable for you insist on everyone else sharing your worldview. /snark God I hate "you-statements" so much. It's not that every time someone starts a statement with "you" is manipulation, it's just that every time someone goes to manipulate and control someone else, they make a lot of "you-statements". And the statements almost always empty of worthwhile meaning, frequently filled with ad hominem attacks, that make it trivial to just... hold up a mirror, pointing it back at the speaker with barely any modifications. Be better. Especially about things you give a shit about.
  - wincy 3y ago
    It’s not unreasonable. Someone just straight up advocated for releasing a disease to sterilize all of the cattle in the world. This is an objectively crazy thing to say. This doesn’t require careful reasoning or thoughtful consideration. I’m tired of people using rationalization to advocate for horrible evil things. “Being better” means calling out people that are insane, there are deleterious paths of thought that are destructive to society and we shouldn’t entertain them at all. You’re not going to trick me with your “eloquence” and “intellect” and “calls for rationality”. I am being better, and speaking up when I see people talking crazy. Nobody speaking up is how we got into this mess.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      > Someone just straight up advocated for releasing a disease to sterilize all of the cattle in the world. This is an objectively crazy thing to say. "Objectively crazy" is doing a huge amount of lifting in that comment. As someone with a conservative leaving who believes there is an anti meat lobby attempting to brainwash your kids and your right to beef is inalienable, I would ask you strongly consider your position about the control humans have over agriculture and the Overton Window related to that control. We are already using gene editing in production to control our environment. EDIT: > You’re not going to trick me with your “eloquence” and “intellect” and “calls for rationality”. I am being better, and speaking up when I see people talking crazy. Nobody speaking up is how we got into this mess. chef kiss The defense rests. https://www.who.int/news/item/16-05-2023-scientists-in-tahiti-prepare-to-release-sterilized-mosquitoes-to-control-dengue https://www.who.int/news/item/16-05-2023-scientists-in-tahit... https://www.cdc.gov/mosquitoes/mosquito-control/community/emerging-methods/genetically-modified-mosquitoes.html https://www.cdc.gov/mosquitoes/mosquito-control/community/em... https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/health/gmo-mosquitoes-approved-florida-scn-wellness/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/19/health/gmo-mosquitoes-approve... https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2019.1515 https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2019.151... https://aae.wisc.edu/pdmitchell/2019/10/02/gene-drives-in-wisconsin-agriculture-what-are-they-and-should-you-support-it/ https://aae.wisc.edu/pdmitchell/2019/10/02/gene-drives-in-wi... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/eva.13285 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/eva.13285 https://news.ncsu.edu/2023/06/crispr-gene-drive-could-suppress-ag-pests/ https://news.ncsu.edu/2023/06/crispr-gene-drive-could-suppre...