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The big press releases claiming it has implications for fusion?

by boxed 3y ago

itishappy 3y ago
This one? https://www.llnl.gov/article/49301/shot-ages-fusion-ignition-breakthrough-hailed-one-most-impressive-scientific-feats-21st https://www.llnl.gov/article/49301/shot-ages-fusion-ignition... What do you find misleading? The ability to study self sustaining fusion reactions without nukes certainly does have implications for fusion, which aligns with their stated goals of researching nuclear physics.
- throwawaymaths 3y ago
  What is misleading is that nowhere in the press release do they say: 1) this research is weapons research (much less primarily weapons over power research) 2) this research does not currently contend a viable avenue towards breakeven power generation
  - itishappy 3y ago
    > DOE Under Secretary for Nuclear Security and NNSA Administrator Jill Hruby said in achieving ignition, LLNL researchers have “opened a new chapter in NNSA’s science-based Stockpile Stewardship Program,” one that enables scientists to modernize nuclear weapons and explore new avenues of research in nuclear science. > Following Hruby, NNSA Deputy Administrator for Defense Programs Marvin “Marv” Adams showed a NIF target capsule and explained the science behind fusion reactions. Adams said ignition will enhance national security by helping NNSA maintain confidence in the nuclear deterrent, advance the country’s non-proliferation goals and increase national security. > “The science and technology challenges on the path to fusion energy are daunting but making the seemingly impossible possible is when we're at our very best,” Budil explained. “Ignition is a first step — a truly monumental one that sets the stage for a transformational decade in high energy density science and fusion research — and I cannot wait to see where it takes us.” > While optimism reigned for the event, Budil cautioned there are still “significant hurdles” and engineering challenges to solve before the commercialization of fusion energy becomes a reality, such as the ability to reproduce ignition many times per minute and making fusion reactions simpler and more efficient. > “I think it's moving into the foreground and, probably with concerted effort and investment, a few decades of research on the underlying technologies could put us in a position to build a power plant,” Budil said.
    - throwawaymaths 3y ago
      > the seemingly impossible possible Did anyone seriously believe it was impossible to get "q" > 1 fusion by blasting a pellet of hydrogen hard enough? --- Significant hurdles != "There is not currently a/no known path" I'm still toning down from "a path is impossible" which ought to be the consensus. > a few decades of research on the underlying technologies could put us in a position to build a power plant No.
- cameldrv 3y ago
  From that press release: > Granholm added that the unprecedented accomplishment will strengthen national security and moves the world closer to the possibility of an abundant, carbon-free energy source for the future. > “It would be like adding a power drill to our toolbox for building a clean-energy economy,” Granholm said. “Today, we tell the world: America has achieved a tremendous scientific breakthrough — one that happened because we invested in our national labs and fundamental research. And tomorrow, we will continue to work toward a future powered in part by fusion energy.” Since the start of the program they have been promoting ICF as a method of power generation. The very fact that they're crowing about net energy gain is because a minimum requirement for a power plant is that the energy that comes out has to be more than the energy that goes in. This is not a requirement for a fusion research machine.

The big press releases claiming it has implications for fusion?

by boxed 3y ago

The big press releases claiming it has implications for fusion?

This one? https://www.llnl.gov/article/49301/shot-ages-fusion-ignition-breakthrough-hailed-one-most-impressive-scientific-feats-21st https://www.llnl.gov/article/49301/shot-ages-fusion-ignition... What do you find misleading? The ability to study self sustaining fusion reactions without nukes certainly does have implications for fusion, which aligns with their stated goals of researching nuclear physics.

throwawaymaths 3y ago
What is misleading is that nowhere in the press release do they say: 1) this research is weapons research (much less primarily weapons over power research) 2) this research does not currently contend a viable avenue towards breakeven power generation
- itishappy 3y ago
  > DOE Under Secretary for Nuclear Security and NNSA Administrator Jill Hruby said in achieving ignition, LLNL researchers have “opened a new chapter in NNSA’s science-based Stockpile Stewardship Program,” one that enables scientists to modernize nuclear weapons and explore new avenues of research in nuclear science. > Following Hruby, NNSA Deputy Administrator for Defense Programs Marvin “Marv” Adams showed a NIF target capsule and explained the science behind fusion reactions. Adams said ignition will enhance national security by helping NNSA maintain confidence in the nuclear deterrent, advance the country’s non-proliferation goals and increase national security. > “The science and technology challenges on the path to fusion energy are daunting but making the seemingly impossible possible is when we're at our very best,” Budil explained. “Ignition is a first step — a truly monumental one that sets the stage for a transformational decade in high energy density science and fusion research — and I cannot wait to see where it takes us.” > While optimism reigned for the event, Budil cautioned there are still “significant hurdles” and engineering challenges to solve before the commercialization of fusion energy becomes a reality, such as the ability to reproduce ignition many times per minute and making fusion reactions simpler and more efficient. > “I think it's moving into the foreground and, probably with concerted effort and investment, a few decades of research on the underlying technologies could put us in a position to build a power plant,” Budil said.
  - throwawaymaths 3y ago
    > the seemingly impossible possible Did anyone seriously believe it was impossible to get "q" > 1 fusion by blasting a pellet of hydrogen hard enough? --- Significant hurdles != "There is not currently a/no known path" I'm still toning down from "a path is impossible" which ought to be the consensus. > a few decades of research on the underlying technologies could put us in a position to build a power plant No.
cameldrv 3y ago
From that press release: > Granholm added that the unprecedented accomplishment will strengthen national security and moves the world closer to the possibility of an abundant, carbon-free energy source for the future. > “It would be like adding a power drill to our toolbox for building a clean-energy economy,” Granholm said. “Today, we tell the world: America has achieved a tremendous scientific breakthrough — one that happened because we invested in our national labs and fundamental research. And tomorrow, we will continue to work toward a future powered in part by fusion energy.” Since the start of the program they have been promoting ICF as a method of power generation. The very fact that they're crowing about net energy gain is because a minimum requirement for a power plant is that the energy that comes out has to be more than the energy that goes in. This is not a requirement for a fusion research machine.