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This is massive cope. These are second or third order effects that will likely impact a very small segment of the population, if they will impact any at all. Th

This is massive cope. These are second or third order effects that will likely impact a very small segment of the population, if they will impact any at all. This is not like when Youtube killed short form content a decade ago. Show me a Youtuber that has been affected by this. Ping me in a year too. And no, going to these other sites is not a signal. Creators use these sites as additional revenue sources by posting early and exclusive content. They funnel their audience to them through other sites. No one discovers new content on these sites.

stetrain 3y ago
A cope for what? I was just responding to the idea that "I think many content creators have recognized that it's important to expand their brand outside of youtube so they're not so beholden to YouTube." Do you disagree with that statement?
- zeroCalories 3y ago
  Maybe I misinterpreted. There is a lot of cope from freeloaders trying to justify their freeloading as good for everyone in this thread. :) As for your question, I disagree. The examples you mentioned are not alternatives, they are small additions. The only exceptions I've seen are podcasts, but they've never been tied to YouTube.
  - stetrain 3y ago
    I have not said that any of these expansions outside of Youtube are a replacement or alternative for Youtube, especially for content discovery. Nor am I necessarily supporting adblockers, except in sympathizing that Youtube's ad experience has continued to get more annoying. I personally solve this by paying for Premium. My point was only that if you have a core audience of subscribers, who provide value via direct subscription or as audience for your sponsorships, you might be worried about Youtube making changes to their system that annoy those users or makes it harder for them to watch your content. And Youtube could make changes that help Youtube's numbers (ie more ad impressions, more views overall, pushing short form video over long form) that can hurt an individual channel by driving away their niche audience or surfacing their videos to subscribers less often (Youtube already loves to do this one). Extending outside of Youtube to let this core audience give you money and directly watch your videos (ie Nebula, Patreon, Discord communities) is a hedge against this. Being less beholden to Youtube for your weekly viewership and the relationship with your audience doesn't mean completely replacing Youtube with an alternative.
    - zeroCalories 3y ago
      I feel like we're looping now, but here I go: Niche channels suffering contains so many conditionals that it needs to be demonstrated before being considered a serious issue. Most channels would die if they lost YouTube, so it's not a hedge.
      - stetrain 3y ago
        But I'm not hypothesizing losing YouTube. I feel like you've imagined an argument that I haven't made."not so beholden to YouTube" does not mean leaving YouTube or replacing or killing it. From an individual standpoint, you want to try to preserve your ability to access your audience and make money from them. Whether or not other channels live or die or flourish under future Youtube algorithm and monetization changes doesn't matter to you nearly as much.

stetrain 3y ago

A cope for what? I was just responding to the idea that "I think many content creators have recognized that it's important to expand their brand outside of youtube so they're not so beholden to YouTube." Do you disagree with that statement?

zeroCalories 3y ago
Maybe I misinterpreted. There is a lot of cope from freeloaders trying to justify their freeloading as good for everyone in this thread. :) As for your question, I disagree. The examples you mentioned are not alternatives, they are small additions. The only exceptions I've seen are podcasts, but they've never been tied to YouTube.
- stetrain 3y ago
  I have not said that any of these expansions outside of Youtube are a replacement or alternative for Youtube, especially for content discovery. Nor am I necessarily supporting adblockers, except in sympathizing that Youtube's ad experience has continued to get more annoying. I personally solve this by paying for Premium. My point was only that if you have a core audience of subscribers, who provide value via direct subscription or as audience for your sponsorships, you might be worried about Youtube making changes to their system that annoy those users or makes it harder for them to watch your content. And Youtube could make changes that help Youtube's numbers (ie more ad impressions, more views overall, pushing short form video over long form) that can hurt an individual channel by driving away their niche audience or surfacing their videos to subscribers less often (Youtube already loves to do this one). Extending outside of Youtube to let this core audience give you money and directly watch your videos (ie Nebula, Patreon, Discord communities) is a hedge against this. Being less beholden to Youtube for your weekly viewership and the relationship with your audience doesn't mean completely replacing Youtube with an alternative.
  - zeroCalories 3y ago
    I feel like we're looping now, but here I go: Niche channels suffering contains so many conditionals that it needs to be demonstrated before being considered a serious issue. Most channels would die if they lost YouTube, so it's not a hedge.
    - stetrain 3y ago
      But I'm not hypothesizing losing YouTube. I feel like you've imagined an argument that I haven't made."not so beholden to YouTube" does not mean leaving YouTube or replacing or killing it. From an individual standpoint, you want to try to preserve your ability to access your audience and make money from them. Whether or not other channels live or die or flourish under future Youtube algorithm and monetization changes doesn't matter to you nearly as much.