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Gaza running out of time UN experts warn, demand ceasefire to prevent genocide

34 points by jlpcsl 3y ago

ecmascript 3y ago
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- misterbishop 3y ago
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  - ecmascript 3y ago
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    - misterbishop 3y ago
      The problem is you only see "terrorism" on the side you already oppose. You don't see terrorism in the erection of a separation wall and 15 years of military bombardment. That's why you're morally depraved.
    - kiwikan 3y ago
      Zionist militias like Irgun and Lehi who were founded in the 40s literally described themselves as Terorrists, and explicitly communicated that jews are the "master race" and that Arabs are a "slave race"
    - megous 3y ago
      Israel is no stranger to doing exact same things to Palestinians at much grander scale for decades. So, your point is? That it's good to do such things if you're the oppressor with more capabilities? It's a conflict stemming from a violent state building project devised and implemented by Zionists and supported for whatever geopolitical reasons by world powers. And the project is ongoing. Should Palestinians just take it? All one needs to do to see how shitty and unacceptable such project may look to the oppressed people of Gaza and West Bank is to look up and read through materials published by various Israeli human rights organizations, like: Gisha: https://gisha.org/en/ https://gisha.org/en/ - https://features.gisha.org/gaza-up-close/ https://features.gisha.org/gaza-up-close/ B'Tselem: https://www.btselem.org/ https://www.btselem.org/ HaMoked: https://hamoked.org/documents_topics.php?topic=Torture https://hamoked.org/documents_topics.php?topic=Torture Or look at some statistics of what childhood is like in Gaza: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7137754/table/T2/?report=objectonly https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7137754/table/T... People are born into this and have to live under such oppression. Hard to blame them getting into resistance movements when they grow up. And all the talk about "legitimate" resistance from someone who supports the oppressor, and has no concept of living under oppression, is also rich. Especially when even such weak forms of "supporting" Palestinian cause as teaching about it in balanced way are vehemently opposed even with lawsuits and other intimidation of teachers and schools: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLKrZmw66M0&list=PLJpexbhqynwPn2lBfOzRnpbVRBPQ-KVSa&index=17&pp=iAQB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLKrZmw66M0&list=PLJpexbhqyn...
      - xk_id 3y ago
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        megous 3y ago
        You haven't seen any IDF abuse videos did you? Peeing on people they abduct, or on people they just killed, etc. Shitting into temporarily evacuated people's cooking utensils, out of spite, or whatever. Breaking bones of captured people as policy? Dragging someone tied behind a car in a dirt for fun? Using children as human shields to force them to check bags for suspected bombs? (at least this last thing was punished) Beating children taken to prisons? Just shooting children into knees and heads for fun/as policy. Easy to find documentation of vile IDF/settler abuses online. You can't judge a whole group of people by actions of individuals. Israelis are not some chosen people immune from doing vile shit. So are not Palestinians. This is not about nature of a group or whatever outdated racist bigotry you base your thinking on.
        megous 3y ago
        https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17n576y/the_electronic_intifada_releases_footage_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17n576y/the_elec... https://electronicintifada.net/content/israelis-filmed-abusing-bodies-palestinian-fighters/39731 https://electronicintifada.net/content/israelis-filmed-abusi... These kinds of people then go home, and are well adjusted.
        xk_id 3y ago
        Ok and? I never defended the zionists the way you are defending the palestinians.
        enterprise_cog 3y ago
        Whoops, your mask came off. You’ll want to take your racism elsewhere.
        xk_id 3y ago
        what mask? I would never conceal my disgust.
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    - kiwikan 3y ago
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      - xk_id 3y ago
        can you elaborate on what precisely has been "reduced"? what is the redeeming nuance here?
        enterprise_cog 3y ago
        Apparently a smaller, more radical force fighting for their people’s right to exist must somehow take down a government that is backed fully by a trillion dollar military industry in perfect manner. No mob violence, no civilian deaths, no senseless acts of violence. They have to be perfect or else they are savages, animals, scum to be wiped off the earth. Meanwhile that same military backed by the US gets to cause reckless and wanton destruction in Gaza. They get to kill civilians, children, blow up hospitals and ambulances. All to the cheering of people like you. One is a desperate struggle. The other a sadistic retribution. Yet the ones struggling are what you called “animals”. Why is that?
        xk_id 3y ago
        Who cheered? I pointed out a sick behaviour that exempts the perpretators from sympathy. The rest is your mental gymanstics.
      - jauntywundrkind 3y ago
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        kiwikan 3y ago
        I mean it's not a secret, my username has a different font color to communicate that it's new to other users, do you know how many people lost their jobs because they said something slightly negative about Zionism or Israel?
- throwawaysleep 3y ago
  You would have found the UN all onboard with Nazi Germany. "All those innocent Germans! You can't bomb them for the decisions of Hitler (ignoring that like Hamas, Hitler was popularly elected)!"
  - misterbishop 3y ago
    Hamas isn't Hitler/Nazis, this is an insane analogy. Israeli elites prefer Hamas to secular political resistance of the Palestinians: Despite its enmity with Hamas, Israel has, over the years, viewed it as a useful counterweight to Fatah. The Israeli right, in particular, has viewed the bitter Hamas-Fatah rift as a guarantee that Palestinian leadership will never unite in support of a peace agreement, or even a unified front to demand Palestinian independence. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-09/ty-article/.premium/what-is-hamas-the-militant-group-that-attacked-israel-and-controls-gaza/0000018b-1359-d465-abbb-17ffb1cc0000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-09/ty-article/.p... Also, YES it is wrong to do collective punishment to civilians in retaliation for their political leadership. What the Allies did to Dresden is widely and rightly regarded as an atrocity: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/13/world/europe/dresden-germany-anniversary.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/13/world/europe/dresden-germ...
    - ecmascript 3y ago
      You're right, they aren't nazis. They are even worse.
      - megous 3y ago
        Because?
        ecmascript 3y ago
        * The nazis had a functioning society * The nazis wanted a functioning society * The nazi beliefs weren't based on religion * The nazis weren't anti-science and made scientific progress * The nazis were well dressed I think that is the gist of it even if I probably could think of more points. Never thought that I was about to defend the nazis but honestly even if they were evil af Hamas and other groups are worse because I think it boils down to there is no logic behind any of their reasoning
tiahura 3y ago
Why is the rest of the world trying to get mixed up in the latest round semitic tribal warfare that's been going on since Sargon of Akkad?
- bluefishinit 3y ago
  Well, if you're a US citizen, you're involved because billions of your tax dollars are going to fund Israel. Israel is committing a genocide funded by my money. I am unfortunately, partially culpable.
- kiwikan 3y ago
  when something good happens you boast about upholding the values of democracy, liberty, and how amazing the "international community" and the international law is, when a disaster happens, suddenly the "civilized western/eurocentric values" disappear
  - tiahura 3y ago
    You’re right. The answer to why is that suffering innocents should bother us, and we should take a sensible approach to reducing it. My point is that I’m not sure that means taking sides in their contest of who can be the least humane can any longer be presumed to be the sensible approach.
misterbishop 3y ago
Hopefully people are coming to understand there is no such thing as "international law" and therefore no such thing as "war crimes". There is no enforcer of justice at the international level. There are only gangster states with gigantic militaries who impose their will on everyone else. Every bomb Israel drops on a Palestinian baby is bankrolled by the US. No international body has the capacity to stop the US or Israeli military from bulldozing Palestine. If there were, Dick Cheney and George W Bush would've been tried by the ICC. Regular people need to organize oppositional political institutions: primarily parties and unions to fight for the interests of regular people against these 1% ghouls. What's needed is a revolutionary struggle against our respective national ruling classes, with an international collaboration that will eventually make obsolete national boundaries.
- throwawaysleep 3y ago
  Bulldozing Palestine is 25,000 dead a day like during WW2 bombings. Not a few hundred.
  - megous 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Great_Fire_of_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Great_Fire_of_London Deaths 160 Injured 250 "one of the most destructive air raids of the Blitz during World War II" Quite comparable to Nazi air raids over Britain.
    - throwawaysleep 3y ago
      UK actually cared about its people. They evacuated them (which the Government of Gaza will not). They sent their kids away (which the Government of Gaza will not). The UK invested in shelters and other infrastructure (which the Government of Gaza does not, except for their soldiers). You need to compare it to the death tolls of the nations that also did not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Pforzheim_in_World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Pforzheim_in_World_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Hamburg_in_World_War_II#Operation_Gomorrah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Hamburg_in_World_Wa... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo_(10_March_1945) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo_(10_March_194...
incomingpain 3y ago
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- bluefishinit 3y ago
  Israel started the war when they stole the land, and it's never stopped. > "The Oslo Agreements gave Israel full control over Gaza's airspace, but established that the Palestinians could build an airport in the area" and the disengagement plan states that: "Israel will hold sole control of Gaza airspace and will continue to carry out military activity in the waters of the Gaza Strip." "Therefore, Israel continues to maintain exclusive control of Gaza's airspace and the territorial waters, just as it has since it occupied the Gaza Strip in 1967."[75] Human Rights Watch has advised the UN Human Rights Council that it (and others) consider Israel to be the occupying power of the Gaza Strip because Israel controls Gaza Strip's airspace, territorial waters and controls the movement of people or goods in or out of Gaza by air or sea.[76][77][78] The European Union considers Gaza to be occupied. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip
  - incomingpain 3y ago
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ChumpGPT 3y ago
It's complicated with a lot of folks caught in the middle. You have Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, etc wanting to genocide Israel and then you have Israel that gives no fucks. What was the spark, Hamas very well knew they could not win, some say it was Russia/Iran that wanted a broader war where the Arab countries would join in knowing it would draw in the USA. This would certainly help Russian/Iranian interests right now with the War Russia is waging on Ukraine. I feel like it's all about weakening the West and causing discourse through out western society. The players like Russia, Iran, North Korea, China all want our Western world to fail. Maybe we're due for another WW, it will play out the way it plays out I suppose.
- kiwikan 3y ago
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- megous 3y ago
  On the other hand, HAMAS and other resistance groups know that hostage swaps do work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange They were too successful this time, though. Israel can have a hostage swap any time it wants. The goverment gives priority to other goals, though. Israel government probably doesn't want all those hostages back too soon, because it might undermine their war goals (many hostages are not Israelis, and many would talk to media, and might disrupt the messaging either via either a stockholm syndrome, or just by talking about what they lived through and seen during the Oct 7 attack). Also no hostages would mean one less reason for fighting Hamas, while destroying their own economy.
  - throwawaysleep 3y ago
    Israel is realizing that hostage swaps just lead to the taking of more hostages.
    - megous 3y ago
      Possible.
jfengel 3y ago
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- misterbishop 3y ago
  There are official Israeli documents: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1719005698300813488 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1719005698300813488
  - jhanschoo 3y ago
    The first I've heard mention of this document was on https://crooked.com/podcast/the-israeli-ground-invasion-begins/ https://crooked.com/podcast/the-israeli-ground-invasion-begi... that I war listening to while cycling. The hosts say that this Ministry is misleadingly named; they are more of a think tank than a department like the CIA.
- megous 3y ago
  And your opinion on it not "clearly" being genocide, is based on what? Any credentials or even arguments? It's not just HRC that expresses fears that genocide is ongoing.
  - throwawaysleep 3y ago
    Soaring population for one thing.
    - megous 3y ago
      Reduced by 10 000 currently in less than a month. So not that.
hathym 3y ago
The action of flagging this article exposes the blatant hypocrisy surrounding free speech propaganda in the West. They conveniently continue to chant about it as long as it serves their agenda.
- megous 3y ago
  Yeah, it is annoying. No time to even formulate some reasoned arguments, around which there might be interesting discussion, before the whole discussion gets flagged away. But god forbid, some tech giant pulls down some random app from app store, or there's letting go of some employees from some company most people never heard of, or some rando gets blocked from accessing gmail for a while. You'll get 100s comment discussions there. :-)
  - Paul-Craft 3y ago
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hypefi 3y ago
Flagging serious content, because we are too busy playing like children with the new toys that is AI

34 points by jlpcsl 3y ago

ecmascript 3y ago

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misterbishop 3y ago
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- ecmascript 3y ago
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  - misterbishop 3y ago
    The problem is you only see "terrorism" on the side you already oppose. You don't see terrorism in the erection of a separation wall and 15 years of military bombardment. That's why you're morally depraved.
  - kiwikan 3y ago
    Zionist militias like Irgun and Lehi who were founded in the 40s literally described themselves as Terorrists, and explicitly communicated that jews are the "master race" and that Arabs are a "slave race"
  - megous 3y ago
    Israel is no stranger to doing exact same things to Palestinians at much grander scale for decades. So, your point is? That it's good to do such things if you're the oppressor with more capabilities? It's a conflict stemming from a violent state building project devised and implemented by Zionists and supported for whatever geopolitical reasons by world powers. And the project is ongoing. Should Palestinians just take it? All one needs to do to see how shitty and unacceptable such project may look to the oppressed people of Gaza and West Bank is to look up and read through materials published by various Israeli human rights organizations, like: Gisha: https://gisha.org/en/ https://gisha.org/en/ - https://features.gisha.org/gaza-up-close/ https://features.gisha.org/gaza-up-close/ B'Tselem: https://www.btselem.org/ https://www.btselem.org/ HaMoked: https://hamoked.org/documents_topics.php?topic=Torture https://hamoked.org/documents_topics.php?topic=Torture Or look at some statistics of what childhood is like in Gaza: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7137754/table/T2/?report=objectonly https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7137754/table/T... People are born into this and have to live under such oppression. Hard to blame them getting into resistance movements when they grow up. And all the talk about "legitimate" resistance from someone who supports the oppressor, and has no concept of living under oppression, is also rich. Especially when even such weak forms of "supporting" Palestinian cause as teaching about it in balanced way are vehemently opposed even with lawsuits and other intimidation of teachers and schools: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLKrZmw66M0&list=PLJpexbhqynwPn2lBfOzRnpbVRBPQ-KVSa&index=17&pp=iAQB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLKrZmw66M0&list=PLJpexbhqyn...
    - xk_id 3y ago
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      - megous 3y ago
        You haven't seen any IDF abuse videos did you? Peeing on people they abduct, or on people they just killed, etc. Shitting into temporarily evacuated people's cooking utensils, out of spite, or whatever. Breaking bones of captured people as policy? Dragging someone tied behind a car in a dirt for fun? Using children as human shields to force them to check bags for suspected bombs? (at least this last thing was punished) Beating children taken to prisons? Just shooting children into knees and heads for fun/as policy. Easy to find documentation of vile IDF/settler abuses online. You can't judge a whole group of people by actions of individuals. Israelis are not some chosen people immune from doing vile shit. So are not Palestinians. This is not about nature of a group or whatever outdated racist bigotry you base your thinking on.
        megous 3y ago
        https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17n576y/the_electronic_intifada_releases_footage_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17n576y/the_elec... https://electronicintifada.net/content/israelis-filmed-abusing-bodies-palestinian-fighters/39731 https://electronicintifada.net/content/israelis-filmed-abusi... These kinds of people then go home, and are well adjusted.
        xk_id 3y ago
        Ok and? I never defended the zionists the way you are defending the palestinians.
      - enterprise_cog 3y ago
        Whoops, your mask came off. You’ll want to take your racism elsewhere.
        xk_id 3y ago
        what mask? I would never conceal my disgust.
- xk_id 3y ago
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  - kiwikan 3y ago
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    - xk_id 3y ago
      can you elaborate on what precisely has been "reduced"? what is the redeeming nuance here?
      - enterprise_cog 3y ago
        Apparently a smaller, more radical force fighting for their people’s right to exist must somehow take down a government that is backed fully by a trillion dollar military industry in perfect manner. No mob violence, no civilian deaths, no senseless acts of violence. They have to be perfect or else they are savages, animals, scum to be wiped off the earth. Meanwhile that same military backed by the US gets to cause reckless and wanton destruction in Gaza. They get to kill civilians, children, blow up hospitals and ambulances. All to the cheering of people like you. One is a desperate struggle. The other a sadistic retribution. Yet the ones struggling are what you called “animals”. Why is that?
        xk_id 3y ago
        Who cheered? I pointed out a sick behaviour that exempts the perpretators from sympathy. The rest is your mental gymanstics.
    - jauntywundrkind 3y ago
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      - kiwikan 3y ago
        I mean it's not a secret, my username has a different font color to communicate that it's new to other users, do you know how many people lost their jobs because they said something slightly negative about Zionism or Israel?
throwawaysleep 3y ago
You would have found the UN all onboard with Nazi Germany. "All those innocent Germans! You can't bomb them for the decisions of Hitler (ignoring that like Hamas, Hitler was popularly elected)!"
- misterbishop 3y ago
  Hamas isn't Hitler/Nazis, this is an insane analogy. Israeli elites prefer Hamas to secular political resistance of the Palestinians: Despite its enmity with Hamas, Israel has, over the years, viewed it as a useful counterweight to Fatah. The Israeli right, in particular, has viewed the bitter Hamas-Fatah rift as a guarantee that Palestinian leadership will never unite in support of a peace agreement, or even a unified front to demand Palestinian independence. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-09/ty-article/.premium/what-is-hamas-the-militant-group-that-attacked-israel-and-controls-gaza/0000018b-1359-d465-abbb-17ffb1cc0000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-09/ty-article/.p... Also, YES it is wrong to do collective punishment to civilians in retaliation for their political leadership. What the Allies did to Dresden is widely and rightly regarded as an atrocity: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/13/world/europe/dresden-germany-anniversary.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/13/world/europe/dresden-germ...
  - ecmascript 3y ago
    You're right, they aren't nazis. They are even worse.
    - megous 3y ago
      Because?
      - ecmascript 3y ago
        * The nazis had a functioning society * The nazis wanted a functioning society * The nazi beliefs weren't based on religion * The nazis weren't anti-science and made scientific progress * The nazis were well dressed I think that is the gist of it even if I probably could think of more points. Never thought that I was about to defend the nazis but honestly even if they were evil af Hamas and other groups are worse because I think it boils down to there is no logic behind any of their reasoning

tiahura 3y ago

Why is the rest of the world trying to get mixed up in the latest round semitic tribal warfare that's been going on since Sargon of Akkad?

bluefishinit 3y ago
Well, if you're a US citizen, you're involved because billions of your tax dollars are going to fund Israel. Israel is committing a genocide funded by my money. I am unfortunately, partially culpable.
kiwikan 3y ago
when something good happens you boast about upholding the values of democracy, liberty, and how amazing the "international community" and the international law is, when a disaster happens, suddenly the "civilized western/eurocentric values" disappear
- tiahura 3y ago
  You’re right. The answer to why is that suffering innocents should bother us, and we should take a sensible approach to reducing it. My point is that I’m not sure that means taking sides in their contest of who can be the least humane can any longer be presumed to be the sensible approach.

misterbishop 3y ago

Hopefully people are coming to understand there is no such thing as "international law" and therefore no such thing as "war crimes". There is no enforcer of justice at the international level. There are only gangster states with gigantic militaries who impose their will on everyone else. Every bomb Israel drops on a Palestinian baby is bankrolled by the US. No international body has the capacity to stop the US or Israeli military from bulldozing Palestine. If there were, Dick Cheney and George W Bush would've been tried by the ICC. Regular people need to organize oppositional political institutions: primarily parties and unions to fight for the interests of regular people against these 1% ghouls. What's needed is a revolutionary struggle against our respective national ruling classes, with an international collaboration that will eventually make obsolete national boundaries.

throwawaysleep 3y ago
Bulldozing Palestine is 25,000 dead a day like during WW2 bombings. Not a few hundred.
- megous 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Great_Fire_of_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Great_Fire_of_London Deaths 160 Injured 250 "one of the most destructive air raids of the Blitz during World War II" Quite comparable to Nazi air raids over Britain.
  - throwawaysleep 3y ago
    UK actually cared about its people. They evacuated them (which the Government of Gaza will not). They sent their kids away (which the Government of Gaza will not). The UK invested in shelters and other infrastructure (which the Government of Gaza does not, except for their soldiers). You need to compare it to the death tolls of the nations that also did not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Pforzheim_in_World_War_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Pforzheim_in_World_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Hamburg_in_World_War_II#Operation_Gomorrah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Hamburg_in_World_Wa... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo_(10_March_1945) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo_(10_March_194...

incomingpain 3y ago

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bluefishinit 3y ago
Israel started the war when they stole the land, and it's never stopped. > "The Oslo Agreements gave Israel full control over Gaza's airspace, but established that the Palestinians could build an airport in the area" and the disengagement plan states that: "Israel will hold sole control of Gaza airspace and will continue to carry out military activity in the waters of the Gaza Strip." "Therefore, Israel continues to maintain exclusive control of Gaza's airspace and the territorial waters, just as it has since it occupied the Gaza Strip in 1967."[75] Human Rights Watch has advised the UN Human Rights Council that it (and others) consider Israel to be the occupying power of the Gaza Strip because Israel controls Gaza Strip's airspace, territorial waters and controls the movement of people or goods in or out of Gaza by air or sea.[76][77][78] The European Union considers Gaza to be occupied. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip
- incomingpain 3y ago
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ChumpGPT 3y ago

It's complicated with a lot of folks caught in the middle. You have Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, etc wanting to genocide Israel and then you have Israel that gives no fucks. What was the spark, Hamas very well knew they could not win, some say it was Russia/Iran that wanted a broader war where the Arab countries would join in knowing it would draw in the USA. This would certainly help Russian/Iranian interests right now with the War Russia is waging on Ukraine. I feel like it's all about weakening the West and causing discourse through out western society. The players like Russia, Iran, North Korea, China all want our Western world to fail. Maybe we're due for another WW, it will play out the way it plays out I suppose.

kiwikan 3y ago
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megous 3y ago
On the other hand, HAMAS and other resistance groups know that hostage swaps do work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange They were too successful this time, though. Israel can have a hostage swap any time it wants. The goverment gives priority to other goals, though. Israel government probably doesn't want all those hostages back too soon, because it might undermine their war goals (many hostages are not Israelis, and many would talk to media, and might disrupt the messaging either via either a stockholm syndrome, or just by talking about what they lived through and seen during the Oct 7 attack). Also no hostages would mean one less reason for fighting Hamas, while destroying their own economy.
- throwawaysleep 3y ago
  Israel is realizing that hostage swaps just lead to the taking of more hostages.
  - megous 3y ago
    Possible.

jfengel 3y ago

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misterbishop 3y ago
There are official Israeli documents: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1719005698300813488 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1719005698300813488
- jhanschoo 3y ago
  The first I've heard mention of this document was on https://crooked.com/podcast/the-israeli-ground-invasion-begins/ https://crooked.com/podcast/the-israeli-ground-invasion-begi... that I war listening to while cycling. The hosts say that this Ministry is misleadingly named; they are more of a think tank than a department like the CIA.
megous 3y ago
And your opinion on it not "clearly" being genocide, is based on what? Any credentials or even arguments? It's not just HRC that expresses fears that genocide is ongoing.
- throwawaysleep 3y ago
  Soaring population for one thing.
  - megous 3y ago
    Reduced by 10 000 currently in less than a month. So not that.

hathym 3y ago

The action of flagging this article exposes the blatant hypocrisy surrounding free speech propaganda in the West. They conveniently continue to chant about it as long as it serves their agenda.

megous 3y ago
Yeah, it is annoying. No time to even formulate some reasoned arguments, around which there might be interesting discussion, before the whole discussion gets flagged away. But god forbid, some tech giant pulls down some random app from app store, or there's letting go of some employees from some company most people never heard of, or some rando gets blocked from accessing gmail for a while. You'll get 100s comment discussions there. :-)
- Paul-Craft 3y ago
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hypefi 3y ago

Flagging serious content, because we are too busy playing like children with the new toys that is AI