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I can easily go much longer than an EV battery without needing a break. A modern minivan can get myself, 3 passengers and all their luggage from the bay area t

I can easily go much longer than an EV battery without needing a break. A modern minivan can get myself, 3 passengers and all their luggage from the bay area to LA without even stopping for gas. In the event that we start without a full tank, the gas stop in middle adds 150 seconds to the trip. This simply isn't possible yet with an EV. I expect it will maybe happen someday, but not yet. As for putting the most miles on long trips: Say I drive 10 miles a day to work and back, and I drive to LA only once a month. Hey presto, most of my driving miles are on the rare but long journey.

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stavros 3y ago
Yeah, but why do the miles count? So you need to stop for half an hour every 300 miles, is that such a big deal? You've still spent less time per month refueling your car.
- throwaway2037 3y ago
  Yeah, yet another bullshit EV post. I just Googled the distance between two unrealistic endpoints in SF & LA: Union Square (SF) and Union Station (LA). It is 380 miles. When they stop to use the toilet and stretch halfway, they can recharge in Central Valley. In 10 years of talking to "EV deniers / haters", nothing you can say will convince them. And, seriously, how often is the _general_ population driving 380 miles to between two major cities? Once or twice a year at max.
  - stavros 3y ago
    Yeah, I don't understand this article. Who doesn't want an electric? I drive around the city all the time, 100 miles once a month, more than 400 maybe once a year. The disadvantages affect me once a year, the advantages every day. To me, an EV is a no-brainer, in fact I was test driving the Mercedes EV just yesterday. The only thing stopping me from getting one is that my ten-year-old car is still fine. Definitely not getting a new ICE, though.
    - SirMaster 3y ago
      People who have no easy way to charge?
      - kjkjadksj 3y ago
        Seriously. I live in a huge city and chargers are still so rare. Even when they put them in new construction parking garages, thats like six spots with a charger for the entire garage of a couple hundred other spots. If you don’t have your own charger I can’t imagine a single landlord fronting the 10k to install one. Even if the laws forced their hand with it, thats just going to be passed to the renter somehow and we are already quite rent burdened here on average.
        gambiting 3y ago
        >>can’t imagine a single landlord fronting the 10k to install one I don't know where you got this number from - a new 7.2kW charger is £400, and I'm sure you can get it cheaper if you buy several hundred of them. They are hardly expensive devices now. Yes there's the cost of installation too - but 10k is an extremely unreasonable number.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      I don't want an EV. Not because of a disinclination to have an electric car -- in theory, it would be fine. But I can't charge at home and all of the EVs I see on the market have at least one showstopper about them.
    - pandaman 3y ago
      I, for one. Even though I live in a house with a driveway where I charge my PHEV, I had driven it too many times with zero charge to be wanting to get a non-hybrid electric car. While some of these times might not have happened with a bigger battery, many still would: having construction taking over the driveway and unable to charge, staying in a hotel and unable to charge, the city losing power and unable to charge would have happened with a bigger battery too.
  - Amezarak 3y ago
    Weekend custody exchanges are a pretty common case.
  - Fatnino 3y ago
    I don't need to stop and stretch. I'm a healthy young person. Furthermore, if I did want to include such stops, why would I want to confine myself to the dingy dirty corner of some backwater Walmart parking lot? With my high range ice car I can stop anywhere along the scenic way for as long or as short as I want.
    - petre 3y ago
      > I don't need to stop and stretch. I'm a healthy young person. Don't do it and health problems could quickly appear. Like back pain, herniated discs, at the very least. Not to mention the risk of drowsiness induced car accidents. I don'l like to refuel in a busy gas station either, but stopping and stretching is recommended.
    - gambiting 3y ago
      >>I'm a healthy young person. You know that this is only a temporary condition, right? >>why would I want to confine myself to the dingy dirty corner of some backwater Walmart parking lot? I don't know, why would you? Are those the only charging options you have? >>With my high range ice car I can stop anywhere along the scenic way for as long or as short as I want. You can do that in an electric car too.
      - Fatnino 3y ago
        When I get old, I can buy an EV of the future. It will for sure have better range and faster charging that what's on the market now. Most busy corridors like sf-LA have the well known charge stations full and backed up making the delay multiple times longer. The point about stopping wherever is that my stops won't have to be near any out of the way chargers. Of course an EV can stop wherever, but it also requires a pilgramage to somewhere I never wanted to go.
- Fatnino 3y ago
  No, I put a whole tank through heading down, another coming back, and one more tank for the rest of the month. That's less than 15 minutes a month at a gas station. Still beats the pants off the 20 minutes each way for the ev on the long trip.
  - stavros 3y ago
    You're driving an entire tank without a break? Maybe you need an EV just for that.
    - Fatnino 3y ago
      Good idea, I'll get an inferior vehicle to enforce the breaks a random person online prescribes me.
  - 8note 3y ago
    And you're doing this on a daily/weekly basis? Why not move closer?
0_____0 3y ago
SF->LA with no stops, not even to piss? If you tried that with most folks you'd need a steam cleaner.
- Fatnino 3y ago
  You really can't hold it for 6 hours? Especially if you go before you start? And let's say we do make bathroom stops (kids or whatever); why should the needs of the car dictate when and for how long we stop? When I was a kid my dad would threaten to leave us behind if we took over 10 minutes dragging out a bathroom stop. I don't see any reason to tolerate a car that takes twice that long to recharge. On a recent trip I did pull over for a bathroom stop at a gas station. The prices were too high (understandable, only option for many miles) so I didn't buy any gas. In and out, no time lost.
  - throwaway5959 3y ago
    Why are you in such a rush to get to your destination on a road trip?
    - Fatnino 3y ago
      Sometimes I need to be there on time. Other times I can set a leisurely pace. At no time do I want to park in the back of an economically depressed store to sit in my car for 20 minutes watching a crack head defecate in the next parking stall over. If I have time to stop, I want to stop at scenic overlooks and the like. Look, all I'm saying is when EV charging (or battery swap, or whatever) gets to the turn around time of a gas station I'll be all over it.
  - 0_____0 3y ago
    I can't tell if you're being sarcastic? Unless I'm dehydrated, no, I generally have to piss more often than every 6 hours, and it's unreasonable to ask a passenger to hold it that long unless they specifically say that can.

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stavros 3y ago

Yeah, but why do the miles count? So you need to stop for half an hour every 300 miles, is that such a big deal? You've still spent less time per month refueling your car.

throwaway2037 3y ago
Yeah, yet another bullshit EV post. I just Googled the distance between two unrealistic endpoints in SF & LA: Union Square (SF) and Union Station (LA). It is 380 miles. When they stop to use the toilet and stretch halfway, they can recharge in Central Valley. In 10 years of talking to "EV deniers / haters", nothing you can say will convince them. And, seriously, how often is the _general_ population driving 380 miles to between two major cities? Once or twice a year at max.
- stavros 3y ago
  Yeah, I don't understand this article. Who doesn't want an electric? I drive around the city all the time, 100 miles once a month, more than 400 maybe once a year. The disadvantages affect me once a year, the advantages every day. To me, an EV is a no-brainer, in fact I was test driving the Mercedes EV just yesterday. The only thing stopping me from getting one is that my ten-year-old car is still fine. Definitely not getting a new ICE, though.
  - SirMaster 3y ago
    People who have no easy way to charge?
    - kjkjadksj 3y ago
      Seriously. I live in a huge city and chargers are still so rare. Even when they put them in new construction parking garages, thats like six spots with a charger for the entire garage of a couple hundred other spots. If you don’t have your own charger I can’t imagine a single landlord fronting the 10k to install one. Even if the laws forced their hand with it, thats just going to be passed to the renter somehow and we are already quite rent burdened here on average.
      - gambiting 3y ago
        >>can’t imagine a single landlord fronting the 10k to install one I don't know where you got this number from - a new 7.2kW charger is £400, and I'm sure you can get it cheaper if you buy several hundred of them. They are hardly expensive devices now. Yes there's the cost of installation too - but 10k is an extremely unreasonable number.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    I don't want an EV. Not because of a disinclination to have an electric car -- in theory, it would be fine. But I can't charge at home and all of the EVs I see on the market have at least one showstopper about them.
  - pandaman 3y ago
    I, for one. Even though I live in a house with a driveway where I charge my PHEV, I had driven it too many times with zero charge to be wanting to get a non-hybrid electric car. While some of these times might not have happened with a bigger battery, many still would: having construction taking over the driveway and unable to charge, staying in a hotel and unable to charge, the city losing power and unable to charge would have happened with a bigger battery too.
- Amezarak 3y ago
  Weekend custody exchanges are a pretty common case.
- Fatnino 3y ago
  I don't need to stop and stretch. I'm a healthy young person. Furthermore, if I did want to include such stops, why would I want to confine myself to the dingy dirty corner of some backwater Walmart parking lot? With my high range ice car I can stop anywhere along the scenic way for as long or as short as I want.
  - petre 3y ago
    > I don't need to stop and stretch. I'm a healthy young person. Don't do it and health problems could quickly appear. Like back pain, herniated discs, at the very least. Not to mention the risk of drowsiness induced car accidents. I don'l like to refuel in a busy gas station either, but stopping and stretching is recommended.
  - gambiting 3y ago
    >>I'm a healthy young person. You know that this is only a temporary condition, right? >>why would I want to confine myself to the dingy dirty corner of some backwater Walmart parking lot? I don't know, why would you? Are those the only charging options you have? >>With my high range ice car I can stop anywhere along the scenic way for as long or as short as I want. You can do that in an electric car too.
    - Fatnino 3y ago
      When I get old, I can buy an EV of the future. It will for sure have better range and faster charging that what's on the market now. Most busy corridors like sf-LA have the well known charge stations full and backed up making the delay multiple times longer. The point about stopping wherever is that my stops won't have to be near any out of the way chargers. Of course an EV can stop wherever, but it also requires a pilgramage to somewhere I never wanted to go.
Fatnino 3y ago
No, I put a whole tank through heading down, another coming back, and one more tank for the rest of the month. That's less than 15 minutes a month at a gas station. Still beats the pants off the 20 minutes each way for the ev on the long trip.
- stavros 3y ago
  You're driving an entire tank without a break? Maybe you need an EV just for that.
  - Fatnino 3y ago
    Good idea, I'll get an inferior vehicle to enforce the breaks a random person online prescribes me.
- 8note 3y ago
  And you're doing this on a daily/weekly basis? Why not move closer?

0_____0 3y ago

SF->LA with no stops, not even to piss? If you tried that with most folks you'd need a steam cleaner.

Fatnino 3y ago
You really can't hold it for 6 hours? Especially if you go before you start? And let's say we do make bathroom stops (kids or whatever); why should the needs of the car dictate when and for how long we stop? When I was a kid my dad would threaten to leave us behind if we took over 10 minutes dragging out a bathroom stop. I don't see any reason to tolerate a car that takes twice that long to recharge. On a recent trip I did pull over for a bathroom stop at a gas station. The prices were too high (understandable, only option for many miles) so I didn't buy any gas. In and out, no time lost.
- throwaway5959 3y ago
  Why are you in such a rush to get to your destination on a road trip?
  - Fatnino 3y ago
    Sometimes I need to be there on time. Other times I can set a leisurely pace. At no time do I want to park in the back of an economically depressed store to sit in my car for 20 minutes watching a crack head defecate in the next parking stall over. If I have time to stop, I want to stop at scenic overlooks and the like. Look, all I'm saying is when EV charging (or battery swap, or whatever) gets to the turn around time of a gas station I'll be all over it.
- 0_____0 3y ago
  I can't tell if you're being sarcastic? Unless I'm dehydrated, no, I generally have to piss more often than every 6 hours, and it's unreasonable to ask a passenger to hold it that long unless they specifically say that can.