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Well said. > Several of Bankman-Fried's previous defense teams quit on him I remember SBF told someone at some point during his ill-advised media tour post-co

by bambax 3y ago

Well said. > Several of Bankman-Fried's previous defense teams quit on him I remember SBF told someone at some point during his ill-advised media tour post-collapse, that his lawyers could "go fuck themselves". But I was wondering what happened then with said lawyer... Is there a list somewhere of the teams that quit?

planede 3y ago
They probably took half of the advise and just went.
Kye 3y ago
I hoped there would be a "Category: lawyers who fired famous clients" or something like it, but no luck. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_representation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_representation
- afavour 3y ago
  I imagine it’s mutually beneficial to keep quiet. Lawyers don’t want to be known as “the company that keeps firing clients”, clients don’t want it known how many lawyers have fired them.
  - kosievdmerwe 3y ago
    And even if you fire a client, you still have a duty towards them in regards to not tanking their defense.
pseingatl 3y ago
It is extremely difficult to represent someone who thinks they did nothing wrong. I have a semi- high-profile case where the client honestly thinks he did nothing wrong. I tell him that doesn't matter; they can prove you did. You've provided nothing to make them question their judgment. Still he persists, "but I did nothing wrong." I've been sending him excerpts from the SBF prosecution to get him to wake up, but no luck.
- bloomingeek 3y ago
  I sympathize with you, When a person's moral compass gets so off, for whatever reason, it's kind of heart breaking. I once worked with a guy who decided to start taking testosterone because he didn't have the energy he once had. We were the same age and I told him it was part of the normal process of aging. I also told him T was a fad in most cases and cautioned him not to use it, even if it was under a doctor's care. Even though this wasn't necessarily a moral issue, it did almost cost him his job and marriage. He didn't get the energy he wanted, but he did get rage issues. I kept trying to point this out, but he just wouldn't listen. He never admitted he was wrong about using T, however he was forced to quit using it.
  - grvdrm 3y ago
    > When a person's moral compass gets so off, for whatever reason, it's kind of heart breaking It feels quite classically narcissist to me. I work for one. I'm not saying that lack of moral compass and narcissist are identical traits, but there are similar issues. And as someone working for that sort of personality, I go through a simple reassurance process every day: have a lost sight of his true being (narccissist) or am I all the sudden calling him brilliant, drinking the cool-aid, saying I love him. Luckily, I'm firmly grounded that I know who/what I am getting when I speak with him but talk with folks all over the company that are on the other side. It's amazing to hear it. SBF was that CEO and unfortunately, in my view, most of his folks were in the kool-aid/love-you camp. To add to the parent post that had this: > It is extremely difficult to represent someone who thinks they did nothing wrong It's extremely difficult to work with someone who thinks they can do no wrong as well. I try hard NOT to be that person.
  - VirusNewbie 3y ago
    This seems quite a weird take, are you an MD? Supplemental T in the normal range shouldn't make someone start hulking out to the point where it cost them their job and marriage, that would be extremely unusual, no?
    - bloomingeek 3y ago

by bambax 3y ago

planede 3y ago

They probably took half of the advise and just went.

Kye 3y ago

I hoped there would be a "Category: lawyers who fired famous clients" or something like it, but no luck. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_representation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_representation

afavour 3y ago
I imagine it’s mutually beneficial to keep quiet. Lawyers don’t want to be known as “the company that keeps firing clients”, clients don’t want it known how many lawyers have fired them.
- kosievdmerwe 3y ago
  And even if you fire a client, you still have a duty towards them in regards to not tanking their defense.

pseingatl 3y ago

It is extremely difficult to represent someone who thinks they did nothing wrong. I have a semi- high-profile case where the client honestly thinks he did nothing wrong. I tell him that doesn't matter; they can prove you did. You've provided nothing to make them question their judgment. Still he persists, "but I did nothing wrong." I've been sending him excerpts from the SBF prosecution to get him to wake up, but no luck.

bloomingeek 3y ago
I sympathize with you, When a person's moral compass gets so off, for whatever reason, it's kind of heart breaking. I once worked with a guy who decided to start taking testosterone because he didn't have the energy he once had. We were the same age and I told him it was part of the normal process of aging. I also told him T was a fad in most cases and cautioned him not to use it, even if it was under a doctor's care. Even though this wasn't necessarily a moral issue, it did almost cost him his job and marriage. He didn't get the energy he wanted, but he did get rage issues. I kept trying to point this out, but he just wouldn't listen. He never admitted he was wrong about using T, however he was forced to quit using it.
- grvdrm 3y ago
  > When a person's moral compass gets so off, for whatever reason, it's kind of heart breaking It feels quite classically narcissist to me. I work for one. I'm not saying that lack of moral compass and narcissist are identical traits, but there are similar issues. And as someone working for that sort of personality, I go through a simple reassurance process every day: have a lost sight of his true being (narccissist) or am I all the sudden calling him brilliant, drinking the cool-aid, saying I love him. Luckily, I'm firmly grounded that I know who/what I am getting when I speak with him but talk with folks all over the company that are on the other side. It's amazing to hear it. SBF was that CEO and unfortunately, in my view, most of his folks were in the kool-aid/love-you camp. To add to the parent post that had this: > It is extremely difficult to represent someone who thinks they did nothing wrong It's extremely difficult to work with someone who thinks they can do no wrong as well. I try hard NOT to be that person.
- VirusNewbie 3y ago
  This seems quite a weird take, are you an MD? Supplemental T in the normal range shouldn't make someone start hulking out to the point where it cost them their job and marriage, that would be extremely unusual, no?
  - bloomingeek 3y ago