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It's a new level. Kia, Hyundai (same company I think) are well situated. As are BMW, Mercedes, and obviously Tesla. But... Toyota? Nowhere to be seen, has som

It's a new level. Kia, Hyundai (same company I think) are well situated. As are BMW, Mercedes, and obviously Tesla. But... Toyota? Nowhere to be seen, has some also-ran EVs in production. The old American carmakers - absent. VW - been talking about EVs for years but ... nothing. The biggest carmakers in the world have a vested interest in keeping EVs off the market for as long as possible.

fragmede 3y ago
> The old American carmakers - absent. Ford F-150 electric Lightning truck has production issues, but it exists. Same with the Cadillac LYRIQ. VW's ID.4 is also all-electric. Tesla and the gigafactory has a head start on the critical component - batteries - but the rest of the industry has started to wake up.
seszett 3y ago
> VW - been talking about EVs for years but ... nothing. Well I think they're the third EV manufacturer in the world for 2023. BYD is first (I guess mostly in China), Tesla second and Stellantis (Peugeot, Fiat and some American brands I think) fourth. Hyundai, BMW, Mercedes (didn't even know they made EVs but apparently they do) Toyota and the other brands I'm reading about in these comments are all much further down the charts, so I'm not sure what to think. Maybe the American market is so different that most commenters here have a warped view of the actual EV market in the rest of the world
- Xixi 3y ago
  BMW and Mercedes don't actually manufacture a lot of cars compared to other manufacturers. They go for margin rather than volume... Total deliveries in 2022 (incomplete obviously, there are many other manufacturers): Toyota (10,483,024, including Daihatsu), Volkswagen Group (8,262,776), Stellantis (4,488,269), Hyundai (3,944,579), BMW (2,399,630), Mercedes (2,043,900), Tesla (1,313,851).
nsteel 3y ago
> VW - been talking about EVs for years but ... nothing. What do you mean?? There are loads of ID.3 and .4 about here. https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/electric-and-hybrid/electric-cars.html https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/electric-and-hybrid/electric...
Xixi 3y ago
Actual deliveries of BEVs in 2022: Volkswagen Group (572,110) followed by BMW (215,755) followed by Mercedes (117,800). So VW actually shipped more BEVs than BMW and Mercedes combined...

fragmede 3y ago

> The old American carmakers - absent. Ford F-150 electric Lightning truck has production issues, but it exists. Same with the Cadillac LYRIQ. VW's ID.4 is also all-electric. Tesla and the gigafactory has a head start on the critical component - batteries - but the rest of the industry has started to wake up.

seszett 3y ago

> VW - been talking about EVs for years but ... nothing. Well I think they're the third EV manufacturer in the world for 2023. BYD is first (I guess mostly in China), Tesla second and Stellantis (Peugeot, Fiat and some American brands I think) fourth. Hyundai, BMW, Mercedes (didn't even know they made EVs but apparently they do) Toyota and the other brands I'm reading about in these comments are all much further down the charts, so I'm not sure what to think. Maybe the American market is so different that most commenters here have a warped view of the actual EV market in the rest of the world

Xixi 3y ago
BMW and Mercedes don't actually manufacture a lot of cars compared to other manufacturers. They go for margin rather than volume... Total deliveries in 2022 (incomplete obviously, there are many other manufacturers): Toyota (10,483,024, including Daihatsu), Volkswagen Group (8,262,776), Stellantis (4,488,269), Hyundai (3,944,579), BMW (2,399,630), Mercedes (2,043,900), Tesla (1,313,851).

nsteel 3y ago

> VW - been talking about EVs for years but ... nothing. What do you mean?? There are loads of ID.3 and .4 about here. https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/electric-and-hybrid/electric-cars.html https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/en/electric-and-hybrid/electric...

Xixi 3y ago

Actual deliveries of BEVs in 2022: Volkswagen Group (572,110) followed by BMW (215,755) followed by Mercedes (117,800). So VW actually shipped more BEVs than BMW and Mercedes combined...