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You’ve clearly never pissed off someone with more money and connections than you.

firtoz 3y ago
My point is that if they would want to attack me or my community or things like that, especially illegally, or, in ways that would not really be approved by the public, then it would be easier to build up arguments or defences against those than to prevent cameras etc.
- sharperguy 3y ago
  I think it could easily be harder to defend against an attacker who has the complete ability to surveil and track you at all times.
- beanjuice 3y ago
  To make a comparison: it is also 'theoretically' easier to teach people not to shoot eachother, rather than to restrict their access to a technology which makes killing very simple. I think keeping the 'activation barrier' to bad actor induced, AI-aided stalking high is a good thing, even if it is only a temporary solution.
- cool_dude85 3y ago
  What about when they want to attack you for things that would be approved by the public? Imagine a black person in the Jim Crow south doing civil rights organizing having to live in a society with these cameras.
  - firtoz 3y ago
    Let's say the public is against you (both in opinion and legally) and you need to organise your people to try to change their mind. What I'm saying is that it's wise to assume that if you have enemies, they will know a lot about what you are doing and that if you do something in public or maybe even private, they may know what you are doing much more than they could in the past. Is it right, should they do it? Of course not. But are they doing it? It's safer to assume, yes, they are.
nonrandomstring 3y ago
Or walked past a random personality disordered obsessive who "fancies you" and decides to use their low-level digital privilege handed out to them as a petty council official or minor law enforcement role. In fact, in some versions of experimental panoptic "utopias" [0], everybody gets to watch the feeds which are simply made public. Half your neighbourhood are in their homes watching the other half walking about scratching their arses and picking their noses. [0] https://cybershow.uk/episodes.php?id=12 https://cybershow.uk/episodes.php?id=12
- firtoz 3y ago
  The point is to come to acceptance with the possibility that yeah, someone is watching me or you or our loved ones probably most of the time. If you are a celebrity you have no privacy anyway, and if you are a regular person you are too boring to watch, so, either way, not too much of a problem. If the people in power have the personality disorders or tendencies to abuse their power then they hopefully won't be in office, because maybe someone else who watched them takes note of that, but sure, sometimes it happens. If they do abuse their power and get caught, then they should no longer have that power, eventually.
  - etrautmann 3y ago
    But this capability gives so much power to someone with authority to abuse it to remain in power…
    - firtoz 3y ago
      That is correct, and it's wrong, but as a regular citizen, it's safer to assume that this is the world we live in now, and prepare accordingly, than to assume otherwise and get caught by surprise.
      - soco 3y ago
        I cannot imagine what preparations can be made but since you have given it a thought, I'm very eager to hear. Maybe we can all benefit, who knows.

My point is that if they would want to attack me or my community or things like that, especially illegally, or, in ways that would not really be approved by the public, then it would be easier to build up arguments or defences against those than to prevent cameras etc.

sharperguy 3y ago
I think it could easily be harder to defend against an attacker who has the complete ability to surveil and track you at all times.
beanjuice 3y ago
To make a comparison: it is also 'theoretically' easier to teach people not to shoot eachother, rather than to restrict their access to a technology which makes killing very simple. I think keeping the 'activation barrier' to bad actor induced, AI-aided stalking high is a good thing, even if it is only a temporary solution.
cool_dude85 3y ago
What about when they want to attack you for things that would be approved by the public? Imagine a black person in the Jim Crow south doing civil rights organizing having to live in a society with these cameras.
- firtoz 3y ago
  Let's say the public is against you (both in opinion and legally) and you need to organise your people to try to change their mind. What I'm saying is that it's wise to assume that if you have enemies, they will know a lot about what you are doing and that if you do something in public or maybe even private, they may know what you are doing much more than they could in the past. Is it right, should they do it? Of course not. But are they doing it? It's safer to assume, yes, they are.

nonrandomstring 3y ago

Or walked past a random personality disordered obsessive who "fancies you" and decides to use their low-level digital privilege handed out to them as a petty council official or minor law enforcement role. In fact, in some versions of experimental panoptic "utopias" [0], everybody gets to watch the feeds which are simply made public. Half your neighbourhood are in their homes watching the other half walking about scratching their arses and picking their noses. [0] https://cybershow.uk/episodes.php?id=12 https://cybershow.uk/episodes.php?id=12

firtoz 3y ago
The point is to come to acceptance with the possibility that yeah, someone is watching me or you or our loved ones probably most of the time. If you are a celebrity you have no privacy anyway, and if you are a regular person you are too boring to watch, so, either way, not too much of a problem. If the people in power have the personality disorders or tendencies to abuse their power then they hopefully won't be in office, because maybe someone else who watched them takes note of that, but sure, sometimes it happens. If they do abuse their power and get caught, then they should no longer have that power, eventually.
- etrautmann 3y ago
  But this capability gives so much power to someone with authority to abuse it to remain in power…
  - firtoz 3y ago
    That is correct, and it's wrong, but as a regular citizen, it's safer to assume that this is the world we live in now, and prepare accordingly, than to assume otherwise and get caught by surprise.
    - soco 3y ago
      I cannot imagine what preparations can be made but since you have given it a thought, I'm very eager to hear. Maybe we can all benefit, who knows.