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Based on the experiences I've heard and read about, you're clearly trivializing the "defend myself" part and don't understand how problematic this is for the pe
by Sakos 3y ago
Based on the experiences I've heard and read about, you're clearly trivializing the "defend myself" part and don't understand how problematic this is for the people actually affected by the discrimination or targeting you're talking about. It's not as easy as "oh, this is racism, you're in the wrong". These are institutions with comparatively unlimited resources with an interest in defending their behavior and how they treat the people they target. Lives are destroyed over this kind of thing.
- firtoz 3y agoSo we should try to fix that, for us and everyone else. I know it's hard, but some things are hard. Preventing cameras etc is harder I think, because they can use "think of the children", except maybe in some parts of Europe it seems.
- xyzzy123 3y agoI think you have the right idea but both things can be right. I think it's possible to simultaneously vote against "your worst enemies getting control of the state" and to agitate against the kind of widespread surveillance you wouldn't want your worst enemies to be in control of. I do hear (what I think is) your argument that legislating against ubiquitous surveillance is counter to the inevitable tide of cameras and AI getting crazy cheap, a future where everything is a sensor and processing costs drop to zero. But I think (maybe naively) it's possible we can also have social norms and boundaries around how these things get used.
- firtoz 3y agoSure, that's fair enough, I just think that they are winning so best prepare our expectations for it. We can still fight, too.
- hackideiomat 3y ago"think of the children" is partially a meme here in germany, there's a song about it, but it focuses mainly on how people wanna seem better by "thinking of the children" and less about using that as argument to negate human rights.