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For me the biggest upside is not having to do oil changes or worry about if the engine is warm or not before reving. Downside is much increased tire wear for a

For me the biggest upside is not having to do oil changes or worry about if the engine is warm or not before reving. Downside is much increased tire wear for already much more expensive tires.

gambiting 3y ago
>>Downside is much increased tire wear for already much more expensive tires. Why would the tyres be more expensive? Something like ID.3 or MG4 use normal tyres no different than ones you'd put on your normal Fiesta, they aren't any more expensive. The increased tyre wear is a problem but only in that it's directly linked with how heavy your foot is, and EVs make it much easier to have a heavy foot as you don't get any typical downsides of heavy acceleration you'd get in a petrol/diesel car.
- KingMob 3y ago
  It's not just easier acceleration, EVs are also heavier. Between those two factors, it adds up to something like only 70-80% of the normal lifetime of standard ICE tires.
  - gambiting 3y ago
    >>EVs are also heavier. Like for like compared to the same model with an ICE drivetrain? Sure. But that doesn't mean that all EVs are heavy. Our Volkswagen e-Up is only 1200kg. Volskwagen ID.3 is 1740kg which I suppose is heavy, but a Diesel Golf 8 is nearly 1500kg, so the weight difference isn't that massive. And something like a Nissan Qashqai is 1700kg in a diesel, so if you swapped that for a new ID.3 you haven't bought a heavier car at all.
    - KingMob 3y ago
      We're talking about averages, here.
    - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
      > Our Volkswagen e-Up is only 1200kg. Compared to 997kg in en ICE version.
      - gambiting 3y ago
        200kg is not going to make any measurable difference in how long your tyres last. My other car, Volvo XC60 T8 is a PHEV and is 400kg(!!!!!!) heavier than the equivalent petrol-only model. Yet my first set of tyres lasted 30k miles - how much longer do people expect tyres to last?
jgilias 3y ago
Mine has a standard tire size. I just put on the winter set for the third season, and I’m pretty sure they’re going to last at least a season or two more. So, changing tires every 4-5 seasons? Exactly the same as I do for my ICE car. I do imagine that the thin tires they put on BMW i3s would last less. But for most people getting an EV now I can’t see how increased tire wear would be a practical problem. And I do drive dynamically, let’s say. It’s just too fun not too.
TexanFeller 3y ago
I don't see how oil changes is an EV selling point at all. Modern ICE cars ask for them every 7-10k miles. If I go to one of the extortionate places like Jiffy Lube it's still only $75 and half an hour of my time every year or two.
- throwaway5959 3y ago
  I’d just rather not do it at all. I also enjoy charging at work for free. We only pay to charge on road trips. It’s been a massive savings in fuel cost for us.

For me the biggest upside is not having to do oil changes or worry about if the engine is warm or not before reving. Downside is much increased tire wear for already much more expensive tires.

gambiting 3y ago

>>Downside is much increased tire wear for already much more expensive tires. Why would the tyres be more expensive? Something like ID.3 or MG4 use normal tyres no different than ones you'd put on your normal Fiesta, they aren't any more expensive. The increased tyre wear is a problem but only in that it's directly linked with how heavy your foot is, and EVs make it much easier to have a heavy foot as you don't get any typical downsides of heavy acceleration you'd get in a petrol/diesel car.

KingMob 3y ago
It's not just easier acceleration, EVs are also heavier. Between those two factors, it adds up to something like only 70-80% of the normal lifetime of standard ICE tires.
- gambiting 3y ago
  >>EVs are also heavier. Like for like compared to the same model with an ICE drivetrain? Sure. But that doesn't mean that all EVs are heavy. Our Volkswagen e-Up is only 1200kg. Volskwagen ID.3 is 1740kg which I suppose is heavy, but a Diesel Golf 8 is nearly 1500kg, so the weight difference isn't that massive. And something like a Nissan Qashqai is 1700kg in a diesel, so if you swapped that for a new ID.3 you haven't bought a heavier car at all.
  - KingMob 3y ago
    We're talking about averages, here.
  - rad_gruchalski 3y ago
    > Our Volkswagen e-Up is only 1200kg. Compared to 997kg in en ICE version.
    - gambiting 3y ago
      200kg is not going to make any measurable difference in how long your tyres last. My other car, Volvo XC60 T8 is a PHEV and is 400kg(!!!!!!) heavier than the equivalent petrol-only model. Yet my first set of tyres lasted 30k miles - how much longer do people expect tyres to last?

jgilias 3y ago

Mine has a standard tire size. I just put on the winter set for the third season, and I’m pretty sure they’re going to last at least a season or two more. So, changing tires every 4-5 seasons? Exactly the same as I do for my ICE car. I do imagine that the thin tires they put on BMW i3s would last less. But for most people getting an EV now I can’t see how increased tire wear would be a practical problem. And I do drive dynamically, let’s say. It’s just too fun not too.

TexanFeller 3y ago

I don't see how oil changes is an EV selling point at all. Modern ICE cars ask for them every 7-10k miles. If I go to one of the extortionate places like Jiffy Lube it's still only $75 and half an hour of my time every year or two.

throwaway5959 3y ago
I’d just rather not do it at all. I also enjoy charging at work for free. We only pay to charge on road trips. It’s been a massive savings in fuel cost for us.