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I find a lot of people older than, say, ~35 abhor Discord. Just like a decade+ ago they thought web forums were vastly inferior to mailing lists. And they wer

by marwis 3y ago

I find a lot of people older than, say, ~35 abhor Discord. Just like a decade+ ago they thought web forums were vastly inferior to mailing lists. And they were right on both counts =)

jedberg 3y ago
I abhor Discord but it has nothing to do with my age. It's their terrible security policies. I wanted to join a Discord that required phone number verification. I gave them the number I've had for the last 24 years, and they said it was invalid because it is hosted on Google Voice. I asked for alternative authentication and they said, and I quote, "Do you have a friend who doesn't use Discord? Can you just use their phone to verify yourself?". Since then I've been very anti-Discord (but will still occasionally pop on because there are some interesting communities there).
- marwis 3y ago
  That too is a problem but I hate it more for being a proprietary information black hole.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  That's why I love irc. I don't have to "verify" myself to any commercial org. I just make up a nick and go.
grahamjperrin 3y ago
I'm a reluctant user of Discord for FreeBSD. I'm there only because it's a good community. A good web forum is vastly superior to mailing lists. Matrix, with suitable clients, is vastly superior to IRC. I'm above the age of thirty-five by twenty-three years and three quarters. I'm right on all counts ;-)
- marwis 3y ago
  > A good web forum is vastly superior to mailing lists. This is easily refutable - one can make a web frontend to mailing list that imitates the look of any forum. Getting forum into email client (or other frontend) not so much ;-P And of course NNTP is superior to both.
  - grahamjperrin 3y ago
    I can refute the mailing list argument, but here's not the place for yet another argument about the pros and cons. NNTP is not looking good for the Project. Please see, for example: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/192271/253798105-45ab3ed1-862e-4794-879e-41edca9744ad.png https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/192271/253798105-4... At the time, mid-July: "twelve on-topic threads this year – overall, probably not bad enough to justify delisting." NNTP looks far worse for other groups that are promoted.
    - marwis 3y ago
      This is more to do with how USENET is run rather than NNTP as a protocol. Fundamentally there is very little difference between NNTP group and mailing list except the former having no spam filter and moderation. It would be great if all mailing lists provided at least read-only access to archives via NNTP. I miss gmane as my one stop shop for all mailing lists.
      - grahamjperrin 3y ago
        I used gmane. Realistically, I can't use NNTP for things such as inline graphics e.g. screenshots.
pjmlp 3y ago
As someone approaching 50, I agree on both. :)
pbowyer 3y ago
I'm approaching 40 and Discord makes me feel old. Like I have no clue how to use it. I've joined multiple programming Discords. When I post, where am I notified of the new replies to me? Or new threads in reply to my messages? I'm convinced I'm missing replies, so end up scrolling up and down history trying to spot them. I use Slack for a dozen programming Slacks and I get the UI and what's going on. Discord feels alien. Being able to trust the communication platform... that matters.
- grahamjperrin 3y ago
  Slack is alien to me. YMMV :-) Notifications in Discord are a PITA. And the rest, yeah.
baz00 3y ago
I'm a lot older than that and am on discord nearly all the time. It's just IRC that works properly.

by marwis 3y ago

I find a lot of people older than, say, ~35 abhor Discord. Just like a decade+ ago they thought web forums were vastly inferior to mailing lists. And they were right on both counts =)

jedberg 3y ago

I abhor Discord but it has nothing to do with my age. It's their terrible security policies. I wanted to join a Discord that required phone number verification. I gave them the number I've had for the last 24 years, and they said it was invalid because it is hosted on Google Voice. I asked for alternative authentication and they said, and I quote, "Do you have a friend who doesn't use Discord? Can you just use their phone to verify yourself?". Since then I've been very anti-Discord (but will still occasionally pop on because there are some interesting communities there).

marwis 3y ago
That too is a problem but I hate it more for being a proprietary information black hole.
wkat4242 3y ago
That's why I love irc. I don't have to "verify" myself to any commercial org. I just make up a nick and go.

grahamjperrin 3y ago

I'm a reluctant user of Discord for FreeBSD. I'm there only because it's a good community. A good web forum is vastly superior to mailing lists. Matrix, with suitable clients, is vastly superior to IRC. I'm above the age of thirty-five by twenty-three years and three quarters. I'm right on all counts ;-)

marwis 3y ago
> A good web forum is vastly superior to mailing lists. This is easily refutable - one can make a web frontend to mailing list that imitates the look of any forum. Getting forum into email client (or other frontend) not so much ;-P And of course NNTP is superior to both.
- grahamjperrin 3y ago
  I can refute the mailing list argument, but here's not the place for yet another argument about the pros and cons. NNTP is not looking good for the Project. Please see, for example: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/192271/253798105-45ab3ed1-862e-4794-879e-41edca9744ad.png https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/192271/253798105-4... At the time, mid-July: "twelve on-topic threads this year – overall, probably not bad enough to justify delisting." NNTP looks far worse for other groups that are promoted.
  - marwis 3y ago
    This is more to do with how USENET is run rather than NNTP as a protocol. Fundamentally there is very little difference between NNTP group and mailing list except the former having no spam filter and moderation. It would be great if all mailing lists provided at least read-only access to archives via NNTP. I miss gmane as my one stop shop for all mailing lists.
    - grahamjperrin 3y ago
      I used gmane. Realistically, I can't use NNTP for things such as inline graphics e.g. screenshots.

pjmlp 3y ago

As someone approaching 50, I agree on both. :)

pbowyer 3y ago

I'm approaching 40 and Discord makes me feel old. Like I have no clue how to use it. I've joined multiple programming Discords. When I post, where am I notified of the new replies to me? Or new threads in reply to my messages? I'm convinced I'm missing replies, so end up scrolling up and down history trying to spot them. I use Slack for a dozen programming Slacks and I get the UI and what's going on. Discord feels alien. Being able to trust the communication platform... that matters.

grahamjperrin 3y ago
Slack is alien to me. YMMV :-) Notifications in Discord are a PITA. And the rest, yeah.

baz00 3y ago

I'm a lot older than that and am on discord nearly all the time. It's just IRC that works properly.