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In what sense did Toyota go "all in" on hydrogen? Toyota produces more ICE vehicles than any other drive train. Toyota produces more hybrids than BEVs. And mor
by clouddrover 3y ago
In what sense did Toyota go "all in" on hydrogen?
Toyota produces more ICE vehicles than any other drive train. Toyota produces more hybrids than BEVs. And more BEVs than FCEVs.
The Toyota Mirai, for example, has always been a low volume vehicle. There's no sense in which Toyota went all in on it.
The more simple reality is that Toyota produces many drive train types.
- idontwantthis 3y agoThey went all in as an alternative to ICE. Their BEVs are very recent. They had people arguing for more than a decade “will it be batteries or hydrogen?” without any serious effort at all to make the Mirai more than a source of confusion and discouragement.
- clouddrover 3y agoAnd how does your conspiracy theory explain the low volume production of the Mirai? Things really are more simple: Toyota's going to build cars and try to sell them. They build multiple drive trains because they can. They will build more of the ones that sell.
- idontwantthis 3y agoIt’s not necessarily a conspiracy they might have just been unserious or lazy in forcing the world to make a huge change. They sold very few of them because nobody wanted to buy them because there’s no fuel for them. If they wanted to sell them they needed to build a fuel network.
- clouddrover 3y ago> they might have just been unserious or lazy in forcing the world to make a huge change Eh, you want Toyota, a car company, to force you to do things? That's a strange perspective. > They sold very few of them Because they produced very few of them. They still don't make very many. I think we've arrived back at the beginning. You're agreeing that Toyota didn't go "all in" on hydrogen.
- idontwantthis 3y agoTry to ask questions instead of applying your own meaning to my words. We might have had a good conversation that way. You’re right we’re back at the beginning. Have a good day.
- clouddrover 3y agoThere are no questions to ask. You're inventing a narrative that doesn't correspond to the practical reality.
- miguelazo 3y ago>Because they produced very few of them. They still don't make very many. Because they rely entirely on subsidies and there’s no good fuel distribution network. They were very serious about hydrogen, they just expected other companies (ICE age fuel distributors) to build that network.
- miguelazo 3y agoWhat are you talking about? Toyota has been saying that Hydrogen is the real future of ICE replacement in their own words for years.
- clouddrover 3y agoI'm talking about the practical reality of what Toyota actually does. I'm not talking about some half-baked conspiracy theory cobbled together from media soundbites.
- jeo123 3y agoPeople into EV dont read statistics. I their worldview everyone bought EVs. Everyone lives in Bay area and drives EVs without touching the steering wheel. Meanwhile thousands pay for 2nd or 3rd hand cheap ICE car. A lot of my friends were shock when they lookup how small EV sales is in the world market. Even in USA, EVs is around maybe at best 5%-10% sales. And that is NEW car sales (with government subsidies). You add in used market, that numbers drop less than 1%. Even even today, Tesla is not even world biggest EV makers.