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I wonder if this hints at an evolutionary adaptation at dealing with people outside of the in-group — could it be that there was an advantage to subconsciously

by gfaure 3y ago

I wonder if this hints at an evolutionary adaptation at dealing with people outside of the in-group — could it be that there was an advantage to subconsciously perceiving non-native speech as a threat, or at least something worth being on guard for?

jareklupinski 3y ago
> perceiving non-native speech as a threat seems like a missed opportunity to evolve the 'native' speech to something new
- User23 3y ago
  > seems like a missed opportunity to evolve the 'native' speech to something new I like this. A missed opportunity to be conquered. I'm going to keep that one in my back pocket on account of I bet that sooner or later I'll be able to trot it out for some poignant drollery.
Semaphor 3y ago
IME (as someone quite easily annoyed by bad grammar; yes, feel free to correct mine, I do actually appreciate that if it’s not a typo), it’s actually the native speakers that are an issue. Non-natives either use proper grammar, or tend to make so many mistakes it usually triggers no reaction (besides wanting to help them) for me. But confusing there/their/they’re and using "would of" are very much native speaker mistakes. There was one thing, "the worse of them" and "worst than" that I think is a non-native error, that is so common, that it made me think it might even be some grammatical construct I never heard of.
somenameforme 3y ago
Bad grammar only bothers me when it's from somebody who is a native speaker. An initial habit I had, and many have the same, when moving abroad and speaking with non-native speakers is to gradually let your own grammar slip into their habits - gradually starting to speak some sort of pidgin English. Somehow, to me, English spoken poorly by a native speaker just sounds grating. By contrast I never had this feeling with non-native speakers. Well there is one exception, when somebody is a non-native but speaks English near flawlessly, then suddenly their mistakes start to become somewhat unpleasant again! Maybe it's like music in some way. A cacophony is not unpleasant at all, when that's the majority of everything (tell me you're a death metal fan, without telling me you're a death metal fan), but when an otherwise clean and smooth rhythm or harmony is disrupted, it sounds extremely unpleasant. For a specific example, the intro to the song Cemetery Gates [1] practically ruins the song for me. It's such a beautiful and pleasant first 1:32, but then the dirty bit hits, and it's just too much. By contrast the transition at 2:31 is smooth, and so it sounds great and pleasant. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZf8ZYHV7o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZf8ZYHV7o

by gfaure 3y ago

jareklupinski 3y ago

> perceiving non-native speech as a threat seems like a missed opportunity to evolve the 'native' speech to something new

User23 3y ago
> seems like a missed opportunity to evolve the 'native' speech to something new I like this. A missed opportunity to be conquered. I'm going to keep that one in my back pocket on account of I bet that sooner or later I'll be able to trot it out for some poignant drollery.

Semaphor 3y ago

IME (as someone quite easily annoyed by bad grammar; yes, feel free to correct mine, I do actually appreciate that if it’s not a typo), it’s actually the native speakers that are an issue. Non-natives either use proper grammar, or tend to make so many mistakes it usually triggers no reaction (besides wanting to help them) for me. But confusing there/their/they’re and using "would of" are very much native speaker mistakes. There was one thing, "the worse of them" and "worst than" that I think is a non-native error, that is so common, that it made me think it might even be some grammatical construct I never heard of.

somenameforme 3y ago

Bad grammar only bothers me when it's from somebody who is a native speaker. An initial habit I had, and many have the same, when moving abroad and speaking with non-native speakers is to gradually let your own grammar slip into their habits - gradually starting to speak some sort of pidgin English. Somehow, to me, English spoken poorly by a native speaker just sounds grating. By contrast I never had this feeling with non-native speakers. Well there is one exception, when somebody is a non-native but speaks English near flawlessly, then suddenly their mistakes start to become somewhat unpleasant again! Maybe it's like music in some way. A cacophony is not unpleasant at all, when that's the majority of everything (tell me you're a death metal fan, without telling me you're a death metal fan), but when an otherwise clean and smooth rhythm or harmony is disrupted, it sounds extremely unpleasant. For a specific example, the intro to the song Cemetery Gates [1] practically ruins the song for me. It's such a beautiful and pleasant first 1:32, but then the dirty bit hits, and it's just too much. By contrast the transition at 2:31 is smooth, and so it sounds great and pleasant. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZf8ZYHV7o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZf8ZYHV7o