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Take the old beat up Toyota pill! > Huge cost and high depreciation Fair cost and zero depreciation > Maintenance costs and time sink Oil change once a year

Take the old beat up Toyota pill! > Huge cost and high depreciation Fair cost and zero depreciation > Maintenance costs and time sink Oil change once a year. > Tyre swap in winter Fair point, local laws and climate realities may require this. > insurance and worry about losing no claim bonus Low insurance; no worry if you get a few more scratches on top of existing scratches. > Road tax and chance of fines if you miss a speed sign There are apps for that > Finding parking and paying for that There are apps for that > Worry about break-in, damage and theft Comes pre-damaged. > Not being able to do anything productive while driving (on the train I can do so just fine) Sure, but not much you can do on the train either, standing squeezed like a sardine in a can, with network connectivity only above ground or at stations. > Always having to return to where you parked it (a much overlooked convenience of public transport) I think there have been only 2 times in the past few years when I felt this was an inconvenience.

suzjziwjau 3y ago
>>Road tax and chance of fines if >>you miss a speed sign >There are apps for that >> Finding parking and paying for that >There are apps for that Ahh the "you're holding it wrong" everyone with a ticket or parking fees is a sucker! >> Not being able to do anything productive while driving (on the train I can do so just fine) >Sure, but not much you can do on the train either, standing squeezed like a sardine in a can, with network connectivity only above ground or at stations. I don't even have words, so everyone else that can't manage to avoid local laws deftly is a sucker who didn't use the right app but you can't find offline video, ebooks , wikipédia , etc...at some point you just gotta be content you're making a choice for your preference so let people have theirs. I definitely drove your beat up Toyota/Saturn/Honda/Mazda for 16 years and you couldn't pay me enough to go back to that lifestyle willingly.
- stavros 3y ago
  > everyone else that can't manage to avoid local laws deftly is a sucker who didn't use the right app but you can't find offline video, ebooks , wikipédia , etc I mean, to each their own, but I can't remember the last time I got a speeding fine, and I listen to ebooks in the car every trip.
- rangestransform 3y ago
  I always thought it would be cool to have a comma ai like device to use computer vision to automatically detect and report roadside police
CalRobert 3y ago
I dunno, I had an old beat up Honda (great car) and it was still a pain. Definitely more maintenance than an oil change once a year (tyres, brakes, bulbs, etc. etc.)
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wkat4242 3y ago
> Take the old beat up Toyota pill! Well yes that's what I do if I have the choice. My most expensive car ever cost me 2200 euro (which was a pretty nice full-option 10-year-old Volvo - big cars are super unpopular here because of the high road tax). But the problem with those these days is that you're banned from city centers then. But still I feel much freeer not having the worry and cost of it. And I like walking a lot and I hate making any plans so I often go off on a trip to whatever and take the train back from wherever I end up. But yes YMMV!
timeon 3y ago
> Comes pre-damaged. I like this one. But for the apps... they are plaster, not solution.
rsynnott 3y ago
> Sure, but not much you can do on the train either, standing squeezed like a sardine in a can, with network connectivity only above ground or at stations. A surprising number of underground systems have phone signal these days. I was recently surprised, visiting London, to notice that my phone was mostly working on the tube; the tube is, of course, the oldest and clunkiest of all underground systems, so if they can do it...

suzjziwjau 3y ago

>>Road tax and chance of fines if >>you miss a speed sign >There are apps for that >> Finding parking and paying for that >There are apps for that Ahh the "you're holding it wrong" everyone with a ticket or parking fees is a sucker! >> Not being able to do anything productive while driving (on the train I can do so just fine) >Sure, but not much you can do on the train either, standing squeezed like a sardine in a can, with network connectivity only above ground or at stations. I don't even have words, so everyone else that can't manage to avoid local laws deftly is a sucker who didn't use the right app but you can't find offline video, ebooks , wikipédia , etc...at some point you just gotta be content you're making a choice for your preference so let people have theirs. I definitely drove your beat up Toyota/Saturn/Honda/Mazda for 16 years and you couldn't pay me enough to go back to that lifestyle willingly.

stavros 3y ago
> everyone else that can't manage to avoid local laws deftly is a sucker who didn't use the right app but you can't find offline video, ebooks , wikipédia , etc I mean, to each their own, but I can't remember the last time I got a speeding fine, and I listen to ebooks in the car every trip.
rangestransform 3y ago
I always thought it would be cool to have a comma ai like device to use computer vision to automatically detect and report roadside police

CalRobert 3y ago

I dunno, I had an old beat up Honda (great car) and it was still a pain. Definitely more maintenance than an oil change once a year (tyres, brakes, bulbs, etc. etc.)

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wkat4242 3y ago

> Take the old beat up Toyota pill! Well yes that's what I do if I have the choice. My most expensive car ever cost me 2200 euro (which was a pretty nice full-option 10-year-old Volvo - big cars are super unpopular here because of the high road tax). But the problem with those these days is that you're banned from city centers then. But still I feel much freeer not having the worry and cost of it. And I like walking a lot and I hate making any plans so I often go off on a trip to whatever and take the train back from wherever I end up. But yes YMMV!

timeon 3y ago

> Comes pre-damaged. I like this one. But for the apps... they are plaster, not solution.

rsynnott 3y ago

> Sure, but not much you can do on the train either, standing squeezed like a sardine in a can, with network connectivity only above ground or at stations. A surprising number of underground systems have phone signal these days. I was recently surprised, visiting London, to notice that my phone was mostly working on the tube; the tube is, of course, the oldest and clunkiest of all underground systems, so if they can do it...