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I really don’t think they should have let the rest of the executive team walk, especially Ellison. They knew what they were doing too, and I’m sure they could h

I really don’t think they should have let the rest of the executive team walk, especially Ellison. They knew what they were doing too, and I’m sure they could have built a strong enough case to convince SBF and the others through plea deals and such

upupupandaway 3y ago
Nobody is walking. All of them will be jailed, but some will get lighter sentences.
jraines 3y ago
Not sure about the others but I don’t think Ellison is walking. Her reward for cooperation was just a letter to the sentencing judge noting her cooperation.
- opportune 3y ago
  Not true. The prosecution agreed to only pursue criminal tax violations. See my other comment.
  - JackFr 3y ago
    IANAL, but I think you misunderstand her plea agreement.
  - phire 3y ago
    She pled guilty to 7 counts. 1 Count of actual wire fraud and 6 counts of various "Conspiracy to commit wire fraud, commodes fraud, securities fraud and money laundering". They have a total maximum sentence of 110 years. Prosecution agreed to not pursue any additional charges, except perhaps criminal tax violations.
- compiler-guy 3y ago
  The plea deal also includes the prosecution electing to charge her with much lesser crimes than they otherwise could.
fred_is_fred 3y ago
She still faces jail time even with the plea and cooperation.
StressedDev 3y ago
None of them "walked". They all pled guilty and have not been sentenced.
- opportune 3y ago
  Man, I'm low on sleep and making mistakes. I misunderstood the cooperation agreement[0] to mean she would only be prosecuted for criminal tax violations. I see now she has plead guilty to fraud though [1]. [0] https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23495436/crypto-cooperator-ftx-alamedas-caroline-ellisons-plea-agreement-inner-city-press-on-the-case.pdf https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23495436/crypto-coope... [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/12/21/caroline-ellison-fraud-charges/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/12/21/caroline-...
  - JackFr 3y ago
    > "the defendant will not be further prosecuted criminally by this Office for any crimes, except for criminal tax violations" That has nothing to do with her sentencing and is typical of any plea agreement. I’m not going to plead guilty to crimes without the guarantee that you’ll not charge me with more. What would be the point of pleading guilty then?
    - opportune 3y ago
      You're right, I was just editing my comment as you posted that. I'm going to go be quiet now lol.
blindriver 3y ago
SBF is going to be pardoned by the Dems. Guaranteed. He donated far too much money for him not to be pardoned. Not just to reward SBF, but to signal to anyone else that the Dems have their back if they donate enough. The same goes for the Republicans as well. Trump pardoned Levandowski as one of his final acts as president.
- ncallaway 3y ago
  If SBF is pardoned by Joe Biden, or any other Democratic president, I will make a $2,000 donation to the charity of your choice. It's not going to happen. 0% chance.
  - az226 3y ago
    Agreed.
  - deleted 3y ago
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- austhrow743 3y ago
  Can you provide precedent?
  - john_miller 3y ago
    Here are 140: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controve...
    - austhrow743 3y ago
      Marc Rich appears to have been comparable in severity of fraud but avoided conviction let alone all the other attention grabbing things Sam has done. Not to mention all the Israel connections. If Sam has a pardon coming then he’s done as much as he possibly can to make it damaging to the pardoner. Can’t see it happening. Parents, maybe. They haven’t played this like asshats.

upupupandaway 3y ago

Nobody is walking. All of them will be jailed, but some will get lighter sentences.

jraines 3y ago

Not sure about the others but I don’t think Ellison is walking. Her reward for cooperation was just a letter to the sentencing judge noting her cooperation.

opportune 3y ago
Not true. The prosecution agreed to only pursue criminal tax violations. See my other comment.
- JackFr 3y ago
  IANAL, but I think you misunderstand her plea agreement.
- phire 3y ago
  She pled guilty to 7 counts. 1 Count of actual wire fraud and 6 counts of various "Conspiracy to commit wire fraud, commodes fraud, securities fraud and money laundering". They have a total maximum sentence of 110 years. Prosecution agreed to not pursue any additional charges, except perhaps criminal tax violations.
compiler-guy 3y ago
The plea deal also includes the prosecution electing to charge her with much lesser crimes than they otherwise could.

fred_is_fred 3y ago

She still faces jail time even with the plea and cooperation.

StressedDev 3y ago

None of them "walked". They all pled guilty and have not been sentenced.

opportune 3y ago
Man, I'm low on sleep and making mistakes. I misunderstood the cooperation agreement[0] to mean she would only be prosecuted for criminal tax violations. I see now she has plead guilty to fraud though [1]. [0] https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23495436/crypto-cooperator-ftx-alamedas-caroline-ellisons-plea-agreement-inner-city-press-on-the-case.pdf https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23495436/crypto-coope... [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/12/21/caroline-ellison-fraud-charges/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/12/21/caroline-...
- JackFr 3y ago
  > "the defendant will not be further prosecuted criminally by this Office for any crimes, except for criminal tax violations" That has nothing to do with her sentencing and is typical of any plea agreement. I’m not going to plead guilty to crimes without the guarantee that you’ll not charge me with more. What would be the point of pleading guilty then?
  - opportune 3y ago
    You're right, I was just editing my comment as you posted that. I'm going to go be quiet now lol.

blindriver 3y ago

SBF is going to be pardoned by the Dems. Guaranteed. He donated far too much money for him not to be pardoned. Not just to reward SBF, but to signal to anyone else that the Dems have their back if they donate enough. The same goes for the Republicans as well. Trump pardoned Levandowski as one of his final acts as president.

ncallaway 3y ago
If SBF is pardoned by Joe Biden, or any other Democratic president, I will make a $2,000 donation to the charity of your choice. It's not going to happen. 0% chance.
- az226 3y ago
  Agreed.
- deleted 3y ago
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austhrow743 3y ago
Can you provide precedent?
- john_miller 3y ago
  Here are 140: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controve...
  - austhrow743 3y ago
    Marc Rich appears to have been comparable in severity of fraud but avoided conviction let alone all the other attention grabbing things Sam has done. Not to mention all the Israel connections. If Sam has a pardon coming then he’s done as much as he possibly can to make it damaging to the pardoner. Can’t see it happening. Parents, maybe. They haven’t played this like asshats.