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What specifically do you dislike in the report?

by Georgelemental 3y ago

iancmceachern 3y ago
For me it was very clear to me what they didn't like in the report from their comment. Not to you?
- catlover76 3y ago
  Do they a) Not think that such actions are not a human rights violation; or b) think such a conclusion should not have been reached about Ukraine, given its underdog/victim position in that war? Or, less likely based on the comment, but still possible, c) they don't think such actions occurred?
- Georgelemental 3y ago
  I don't know if they believe that the report is factually incorrect, that it omits important information, or that it draws incorrect moral conclusions from correct empirical premises.
hitekker 3y ago
Apparently, even folks within Amnesty questioned the motivations of the report. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/04/ukraine-civilians-army-bases-amnesty-russia-war https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/04/ukraine-civili... > However, the head of Amnesty Ukraine’s office, Oksana Pokalchuk, wrote on Facebook that her operation disagreed with the report. She said they were cut out of the pre-publication process when they complained that the report was based on incomplete evidence compiled by foreign colleagues. > “Our team’s arguments about the inadmissibility and incompleteness of such material were not taken into account,” wrote Pokalchuk. “The representatives of the Ukrainian office did everything they could to prevent this material from being published.” Amnesty's Ukraine director resigned shortly thereafter. The Wikipedia article goes into greater detail and it's scathing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Amnesty_International#Report_on_placement_of_Ukrainian_forces_in_civilian_areas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Amnesty_Internati...
sofixa 3y ago
For me it's quite simple. It's factually true, but missing very important context and ignorant to how it will be misused by the aggressor in the conflict. Many people, including in Amnesty itself, were extremely critical of the report when it first came out.

What specifically do you dislike in the report?

iancmceachern 3y ago

For me it was very clear to me what they didn't like in the report from their comment. Not to you?

catlover76 3y ago
Do they a) Not think that such actions are not a human rights violation; or b) think such a conclusion should not have been reached about Ukraine, given its underdog/victim position in that war? Or, less likely based on the comment, but still possible, c) they don't think such actions occurred?
Georgelemental 3y ago
I don't know if they believe that the report is factually incorrect, that it omits important information, or that it draws incorrect moral conclusions from correct empirical premises.

hitekker 3y ago

Apparently, even folks within Amnesty questioned the motivations of the report. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/04/ukraine-civilians-army-bases-amnesty-russia-war https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/04/ukraine-civili... > However, the head of Amnesty Ukraine’s office, Oksana Pokalchuk, wrote on Facebook that her operation disagreed with the report. She said they were cut out of the pre-publication process when they complained that the report was based on incomplete evidence compiled by foreign colleagues. > “Our team’s arguments about the inadmissibility and incompleteness of such material were not taken into account,” wrote Pokalchuk. “The representatives of the Ukrainian office did everything they could to prevent this material from being published.” Amnesty's Ukraine director resigned shortly thereafter. The Wikipedia article goes into greater detail and it's scathing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Amnesty_International#Report_on_placement_of_Ukrainian_forces_in_civilian_areas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Amnesty_Internati...

sofixa 3y ago

For me it's quite simple. It's factually true, but missing very important context and ignorant to how it will be misused by the aggressor in the conflict. Many people, including in Amnesty itself, were extremely critical of the report when it first came out.